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Old June 19th, 2019, 06:48 PM #1
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Spotting scope recommendations

So i've decided to finally upgrade my spotting scope (a Simmons which is fine for 100 yards) to something much better. Looking for something for reading wind for up to 1000 yd targets. Ideally would like to keep it under $1,000. I do like Vortex optics, how much of a difference is there between the Viper HD and Razor HD?
Doesn't neccisarily have to be Vortex. I've heard good things about Pentax and Bushnell Elite also. (A little wary of the Bushnell Elite)
Also should I opt for higher magnification (20-60) or better glass with 15-45 magnification? (If I have to choose between the two)
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Look at kowa also, wont have a rectile built in if that is what your looking for.
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I use a Pentax PF-100ED which is not made anymore (about $2200 new). Highly recommended by 2 of the benchrest forums, as were Zeiss and Nikon at the time. Generally 77mm-85mm class is what you want. When it comes to resolution at distance the bigger the objective the better. Fluorite glass is at the top but won't be in your budget. So a good name ED glass scope is the minimum if you want to try to see something up to 1000 yards. I used to work for a dealer that sold Pentax and Zeiss and a few cheaper brands. Nothing in the cheaper brands came close to Pentax and Zeiss. I like Pentax because it uses standard telescope eyepieces and I have lots of those (many Pentax ones, too). It turns out from the BR forums testing that fixed power eyepieces are better and clearer than zooms from the same company. While my Pentax's Zoom give 26-78x, 2 higher power fixed ones give 86x and 116x.

The power will depend on how far you need to see. I personally would not go below 20-60x.
Also for shooting you should only consider a straight thru scope not any of the 45 degree angle ones, which are mainly for bird-watching.
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I use a Pentax PF-100ED which is not made anymore (about $2200 new). Highly recommended by 2 of the benchrest forums, as were Zeiss and Nikon at the time. Generally 77mm-85mm class is what you want. When it comes to resolution at distance the bigger the objective the better. Fluorite glass is at the top but won't be in your budget. So a good name ED glass scope is the minimum if you want to try to see something up to 1000 yards. I used to work for a dealer that sold Pentax and Zeiss and a few cheaper brands. Nothing in the cheaper brands came close to Pentax and Zeiss. I like Pentax because it uses standard telescope eyepieces and I have lots of those (many Pentax ones, too). It turns out from the BR forums testing that fixed power eyepieces are better and clearer than zooms from the same company. While my Pentax's Zoom give 26-78x, 2 higher power fixed ones give 86x and 116x.

The power will depend on how far you need to see. I personally would not go below 20-60x.
Also for shooting you should only consider a straight thru scope not any of the 45 degree angle ones, which are mainly for bird-watching.
They still make the PF-100ED, I just looked at Pentax scopes.
I can get a PF-80ED and an eyepiece for about $1,100.
Without getting more than one eyepiece, is there a significant drawback to getting a fixed power? Only thing I can think of is if I want to use it at shorter distances, 200-300 yards.
Would still love to hear if anyone has been able to compare the Vortex Viper HD and the Razor HD.
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The Burris Signature HD is a little over your target budget but worth looking at.

I got mine from Optics Agent. http://www.opticsagent.com/BUR-SPOTT...BoCrj8QAvD_BwE

Here is an image I snapped from behind my house 4006yds (2.25mi) away.



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The Burris Signature HD is a little over your target budget but worth looking at.

I got mine from Optics Agent. http://www.opticsagent.com/BUR-SPOTT...BoCrj8QAvD_BwE

Here is an image I snapped from behind my house 4006yds (2.25mi) away.



Here is a link to my post. https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=231045

If you want to meet up at AGC to check it out let me know.
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I have used a Razor HD next to a Viper HD, both gen 1 scopes. The Razor is nicer. Back in those days, the Razor was more than twice as much, and I would not have paid that much. But I got my mine, very lightly used, for a good price. Now, with the Gen 2 out, the Gen 1s are at a great price.

As for straight versus angled, the service rifle guys prefer angled, as you can set them up to use them without breaking position. Long range shooters seem to prefer straight, mainly for spotting someone else shooting.

I mainly use the Razor with a fixed eyepiece with a Mil reticle. It makes calling corrections easier.
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You can check out rokslide.com. The western hunting guy’s talk about this subject a lot and you can find some used ones. Also govx website ha a decent deals if you are able to sign up.
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Kowa is a good spotting scope. I have had mine for over a decade and it has been flawless. Before that, I had a Unertl (SP) that served me well. Leica makes a good spotting scope too.
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If you want good info on spotting scope, get info from high power rifle competitors. In general, difference between good and better, comes down to eye relief.

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