redeemed.man
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I agree and I hope no one tries to fabricate something to charge him with.
Defensive gun use in Halethorpe
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Originally Posted by cryptoman View Post
....My personal feeling is that none of my property is worth taking a life.....
I disagree with what you are saying about his post.
He is saying how he feels and his opinion, your statement says he does not know how he feels.
I think you are saying you do not feel the same way which is your full right. It just did not come out that way.
In current society, I myself am not prepared to kill a man over minor property where myself and none of my family is in immediate reasonable harm. (ie guy breaking into my car for example). If you feel that you would, that's your right to feel that way. If someone was breaking into my car, would I arm myself before confronting them, Yes, If I could reasonably grab one of my firearms. More likely, yelling from the door would scare them off. In my case, very little of value is left in my car.
However, someone touches my kids or my wife on my property and I feel they are in harms way and I will end that person!
Breaking into my home (my enclosed garage is my home) is a different story, the firearm will be discharged.
Originally Posted by cryptoman View Post
....My personal feeling is that none of my property is worth taking a life.....
I disagree with what you are saying about his post.
He is saying how he feels and his opinion, your statement says he does not know how he feels.
I think you are saying you do not feel the same way which is your full right. It just did not come out that way.
In current society, I myself am not prepared to kill a man over minor property where myself and none of my family is in immediate reasonable harm. (ie guy breaking into my car for example). If you feel that you would, that's your right to feel that way. If someone was breaking into my car, would I arm myself before confronting them, Yes, If I could reasonably grab one of my firearms. More likely, yelling from the door would scare them off. In my case, very little of value is left in my car.
However, someone touches my kids or my wife on my property and I feel they are in harms way and I will end that person!
Breaking into my home (my enclosed garage is my home) is a different story, the firearm will be discharged.
There is major distinction here that has already been made in several posts. The homeowner did not seem to be looking to hurt someone over property.
He only meant to investigate while taking proper precautions (a gun) to defense himself "just in case."
To me, he took the most prudent route. There are a millions different ways this could have been handled. The 2 extreme opposite reactions on either side of what actually happened would be to stay inside and call 911 or just shoot at the burglar immediately. The latter would be a very bad idea. It would also be more akin to a situation that represents what yourself and cryptoman are talking about, in reference to taking a life over property.
The government has put a price on human life.
Having grown up on military bases and living outside of them for a majority of my life I am used to seeing signs of "Use of deadly force is authorized".
If the government can protect their (really our) property why can't I protect my personal property?
cuz they're the Government..
d33rhunt3r
Pro Pizza Eater
Didn't DC just extend the right to self defense to include your property outside the home for reasons like this?
I remember way back reading a story of a similar situation where the homeowner saw someone breaking into his car and wrecked him with a 12 gauge. But the homeowner was not in imminent danger so he was charged with murder. This is a bit different since there was an attempted attack by the perp/twat. I love and cherish my car but not sure I'd be willing to shoot someone over it.
I remember way back reading a story of a similar situation where the homeowner saw someone breaking into his car and wrecked him with a 12 gauge. But the homeowner was not in imminent danger so he was charged with murder. This is a bit different since there was an attempted attack by the perp/twat. I love and cherish my car but not sure I'd be willing to shoot someone over it.
sgt23preston
USMC LLA. NRA Life Member
Mee thinks the property owner guy will lose all his gun ownership privileges for the rest of his life...
danb
dont be a dumbass
The article says "knife or screwdriver."
This article also says:
emphasis mine.
remember in MD, it's important to get cut at least once to prove the threat was real.
On the one hand, drawing blood means the likelihood of charges is very low.
One the other hand, hmmmm. that guy got pretty close. I am imagining holding a rifle and getting cut on the hand. The teen got shot in the upper arm, seems consistent with a very close encounter. Forget charges, I see two people lucky to be alive.
This article also says:
http://www.wbaltv.com/article/man-shoots-suspect-trying-to-break-into-his-car-police-say/8502996
emphasis mine.
remember in MD, it's important to get cut at least once to prove the threat was real.
On the one hand, drawing blood means the likelihood of charges is very low.
One the other hand, hmmmm. that guy got pretty close. I am imagining holding a rifle and getting cut on the hand. The teen got shot in the upper arm, seems consistent with a very close encounter. Forget charges, I see two people lucky to be alive.
Mr H
Banana'd
Reading from above, it tells us that charges were not filed.
Moreover, he was taking a look with a flashlight, and lucky for him (and always an option when on your own property), there happened to be a gun attached to the flashlight.
HordesOfKailas
Still learning
I believe Colorado has laws allowing for the use of deadly force in the protection of property. Some states do "get it" to varying degrees.
That says legal in defense of oneself or property
There is no disparity of force, real or imagined. Someone can kill you quite quickly by plunging a screwdriver into your head. I'd say it's a good shoot. (That doesn't mean some asshat SA won't go after him)
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There is no disparity of force, real or imagined. Someone can kill you quite quickly by plunging a screwdriver into your head. I'd say it's a good shoot. (That doesn't mean some asshat SA won't go after him)
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in my view all of my property is. Don't like it? Don't try to steal my stuff.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
HordesOfKailas
Still learning
I don't see killing a person as putting a value on their life personally. The person engaging in the criminal activity has put a value on their own life. The value is the value of whatever they're trying to steal. You simply are calling them on it.
Let criminals act with impunity and see society self-destruct.
Let criminals act with impunity and see society self-destruct.
daNattyFatty
Ultimate Member
Just an FYI, their deputies don't generally engage in law enforcement duties. They're basically courthouse security and serve orders and warrants.
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Bolded 1: lolwut?
I would no more try to tell someone else how they feel about something, than I would try to teach a hildebeast to be a gracious loser. cryptoman stated property was not worth taking a life and I stated I disagreed with that (and I was too lazy to type the remainder of 'but will defend to the death your right to say it'). Simple as that.
Bolded 2: I have no control over you thinking "It just did not come out that way". I thought I was pretty clear in my statement.
Bolded 3: No, I'm not gunning down someone for "minor property where myself and none of my family is in immediate reasonable harm". I may arm myself and confront them, but I'm not going to shoot on sight.
I am not really sure how/why I got singled out, but that is my story and I'm sticking to it.
If you are in for my Mission BBQ/Tilted Kilt karma, great. If not, please enter so I will know you know I harbor no hard feelings.
https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=203364
I am off now to donated blood so hopefully a sickly crook will get well and they will then come to steal my stuff so I can shoot them down like a dog.
Matlack
Scribe
- Dec 15, 2008
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If his system has a back-up, either cloud or HD, and his story matches the film, then he is all good. Either way I have no sympathy for the perpetrator.
I am off now to donated blood so hopefully a sickly crook will get well and they will then come to steal my stuff so I can shoot them down like a dog.
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