ATF looking to reclassify projectiles

bmkoenig · Feb 14, 2015

ATF To Ban Common AR-15 Ammo

The ATF is looking to reclassify certain "armor piercing" projectiles. Specifically named is the M855 and SS109.

Comment period is open to March 16th.

http://www.atf.gov/sites/default/fi..._primarily_intended_for_sporting_purposes.pdf

amoebicmagician · Feb 14, 2015

this is ridiculous on it's face, these are primarily rifle cartridges. That's like saying that just because someone made an Obrez pistol that suddenly all 7.62x54r steel core is armor piercing handgun ammunition. I'm getting really tired of the ATF throwing it's weight around and doing extremely shady things without having to go through the due process of law.

jmike1487 · Feb 14, 2015

Sounds like there will be a rush for M855 now.

TheRealJimDavis · Feb 14, 2015

Ugh, that looks bad.

Brooklyn · Feb 14, 2015

Should lead to more litigation..

They learn real slow that's for sure.

Vile Shadow · Feb 14, 2015

Brooklyn said:
Should lead to more litigation..

They learn real slow that's for sure.

But, it's for the "common good", you know. Outlawing boolits designed to kill police officers couldn't possibly be a bad thing. :rolleyes:

iH8DemLibz · Feb 14, 2015

amoebicmagician said:
this is ridiculous on it's face, these are primarily rifle cartridges. That's like saying that just because someone made an Obrez pistol that suddenly all 7.62x54r steel core is armor piercing handgun ammunition. I'm getting really tired of the ATF throwing it's weight around and doing extremely shady things without having to go through the due process of law.

We dun need no steeenkin due process.

Truthlesshero81 · Feb 14, 2015

I bought a can this morning. Even if this proposal gets stopped the ammo will be sold out everywhere by the end of this weekend and impossible to get for months afterwards.

E.Shell · Feb 14, 2015

Running out of places to bury stuff.....

RCH · Feb 14, 2015

Just what we need, a ban on low cost surplus ammo and another ammo buying panic... :sad20:

fidelity · Feb 14, 2015

bmkoenig said:
The ATF is looking to reclassify certain "armor piercing" projectiles. Specifically named is the M855 and SS109.

Comment period is open to March 16th.

http://www.atf.gov/sites/default/fi..._primarily_intended_for_sporting_purposes.pdf

Thanks for posting.

Those d1cks. They're using the advent of AR pistols as pretext to regulate armor penetrating ammo from handguns, noting the recent proliferation of these types of firearms.

annihilation-time · Feb 14, 2015

Brooklyn said:
They learn real slow that's for sure.

Unfortunately, so does the American people.

Coffee · Feb 14, 2015

I joined the NRA two weeks ago. I may need to throw more money at them. This is insane.

teratos · Feb 14, 2015

I have some socked away. Just in case....

SWO Daddy · Feb 14, 2015

fidelity said:
Thanks for posting.

Those d1cks. They're using the advent of AR pistols as pretext to regulate armor penetrating ammo from handguns, noting the recent proliferation of these types of firearms.

It's not even AP ammo by any definition. Any 5.56 ammo will defeat soft body armor.

Cai · Feb 14, 2015

SWO Daddy said:
It's not even AP ammo by any definition. Any 5.56 ammo will defeat soft body armor.

... And that will be next... As soon as they get this to go through... :mad54:

teratos · Feb 14, 2015

Cai said:
... And that will be next... As soon as they get this to go through...

"Hunting rifles" have never been on the anti's lists, have they? In the safe next to my AR's I have a .458 Win Mag. That'll ruin your day. Other "hunting" calibers will do the same. Are there a lot of cops getting killed by armor piercing rounds and "cop-killer" bullets?

smokey · Feb 14, 2015

Sounds like "arbitrary and capricious" to me. It also sounds like someone at the top got pissed off that the sig-brace event happened and wants to slap the wrists of gun-owners that made "AR-pistols" relatively common in the past couple years.

The "officer safety" side of the argument is absurd to me. The ATF and lawmakers are shirking blame for infringing on our rights by using LEOs as a political prop. It's disgusting. It's also pretty antithetical to the intent of the 2A. "...shall not be infringed" is pretty clear. In reading writings of the time, it's also pretty clear that the founding fathers would be much more interested in the safety of the citizens than the safety of a governmental enforcement agent. They seemed to like the idea that people should have every ability to fight their own government, should it become oppressive. The "officer safety" argument to infringe on the 2A is directly opposed to the founder's mindset in crafting the 2A.

Looks like I may have to make a trip for some 5.56. I wonder what the next round of infringements will look like. We have a long way to go until january 2017. I'm also thinking there's about zero percent chance a republican president would make gun rights a priority in any kind of way....especially in the first term.

AssMan · Feb 14, 2015

teratos said:
Are there a lot of cops getting killed by armor piercing rounds and "cop-killer" bullets?

Doubt it. For the same reasons it makes no sense to hunt with AP rounds. These people are just idiots. :sad20:

AssMan · Feb 14, 2015

Guess AK pistols are out too...

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