holesonpaper
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I somewhat think both participants should be charged.
Wuestenbergs-Michigan CPLer draws at Chipotle
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So I'm going to exit the thing that is currently keeping me from bodily harm (4,500 lbs of mass) and get into striking distance? What do you think would happen had they stayed in the car? Think the 2 folks would tip the car over? Set it on fire (then I'd say it is safe to exit)? Kick a few dents? When you control distance, and in this case somewhat time, don't give up either. As for the disabled husband. He surely didn't appear to fragile to engage in the verbal conflict and then exit the vehicle and approach someone who allegedly had placed him and his wife in fear of serious bodily injury.
Comparing this overweight lady and the 15 year old to other videos of angry mobs we've seen elsewhere is, insincere to the facts of this case...at best.
I get it...you guys finally changed my mind.
Matlack
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- Dec 15, 2008
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This never should have gone beyond, "Oh I'm sorry for bumping into you." To keep chasing after the pregnant lady for bumping into you is insane.
Matlack
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- Dec 15, 2008
- 8,558
Yeah insincere. No reason to fear a person who has continued to harass you for accidentally bumping into them. She is pregnant. There is a lot that these two people could do to kill the unborn child. Hell now that the vehicle is stopped they could shoot them claiming they tried to run her over. That is the new antifa/blm threat. They have started shooting vehicles who they have stopped, swarmed and try to escape. This should never have gone beyond the accidentally bumping into her.
holesonpaper
Active Member
Completely agree... I think the folks in the van just wanted to leave but “she” had other plans.
PowPow
Where's the beef?
I watched both vids at 1X for their full duration.
It sounded to me like Jillian was a tad too quick with the flat hand and words, "Back off", to the teenager after the initial bag bump. The teens these days have been sensitized with social justice brainwashing, e.g. microaggressions and what not. They were coming from a completely different place than Jillian was. That said, the mom and daughter(s) didn't let it go. They wanted it, and they got it (Toyota?). I don't know if the minivan in question was a Toyota, but they got Jillian's Hellcat instead. Sadly, I think we will see much more of this in the coming months.
It sounded to me like Jillian was a tad too quick with the flat hand and words, "Back off", to the teenager after the initial bag bump. The teens these days have been sensitized with social justice brainwashing, e.g. microaggressions and what not. They were coming from a completely different place than Jillian was. That said, the mom and daughter(s) didn't let it go. They wanted it, and they got it (Toyota?). I don't know if the minivan in question was a Toyota, but they got Jillian's Hellcat instead. Sadly, I think we will see much more of this in the coming months.
gamer_jim
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Thank you for taking the time to watch before commenting.
I think there are lessons learned on both sides. We can learn from other people's stupidity.
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Matlack
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- Dec 15, 2008
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There is no video of the initial bump. The video picks up after parties have left the establishment and in the middle of the confrontation.
PowPow
Where's the beef?
I was going by her own description. She went right from the bump, to looking back, and then "Back off".
Obama left us this legacy and the PC SJWs just keep coddling "entitled" minorities to this type of action. That statement might sound racist but tell me it's not true and truth trumps racism.
Maestro Pistolero
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- Mar 20, 2012
- 876
If someone were to say, have a firearm and his or her hand, but was not threatening anyone or acting aggressively , I would not necessarily be justified in using the firearm, but if I wait until it’s pointed at me to draw, then it’s a bit late, no?
Maestro Pistolero
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- Mar 20, 2012
- 876
If someone were to say, have a firearm and his or her hand, but was not threatening anyone or acting aggressively , I would not necessarily be justified in using the firearm, but if I wait until it’s pointed at me to draw, then it’s a bit late, no?
The mom and daughter escalated the situation IMO. Their frequent requests to "Do something " meant that they WANTED to escalate. That way they'd have the next viral video and might get some money...if neither died as a result.
The last 10 years have taught people that they can push and antagonize, and they won't be held accountable. The last 4 months have doubled down on that.
This country is so f*cked.
The last 10 years have taught people that they can push and antagonize, and they won't be held accountable. The last 4 months have doubled down on that.
This country is so f*cked.
PowPow
Where's the beef?
We start undoing it by no longer tolerating the behavior that got it that way.
esqappellate
President, MSI
- Feb 12, 2012
- 7,408
It is always a fact question for the trier of fact (judge or jury) whether each of the elements of self defense are met. All the circumstances will come into play. Can't just focus on one aspect
frogman68
товарищ плачевная
- Apr 7, 2013
- 8,774
I am tone deaf but I hear fear in the pregnant woman's voice . A lot of self defense with a firearm ends without a shot fired. They go unreported because it is legal.
MindTheGAP
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What a nothingburger of a video / discussion. Both parties were stupid and had half a dozen better options on how to handle their end of it. End thread.
I'm curious what you think the pregnant woman should have done differently? Mom and daughter were dead set on getting the next viral video, and wouldn't leave them alone. Call cops? Still get called a racist Karen. Wait it out and take the abuse longer? Eventually it gets to the same ending. There is no winning against idiots like the mom and daughter.
gamer_jim
Podcaster
Criminal charges against both Wuestenbergs were dismissed without prejudice.
Civil trial set for evaluation on April 2, 2023.
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Civil trial set for evaluation on April 2, 2023.
Charges dismissed against white couple that drew gun on Black mother, teen in parking lot dispute
Eric and Jillian Wuestenberg were charged after the latter was caught on camera pointing the weapon during the altercation with the woman and her then-15-year-old daughter. The incident happened in July of 2020 in the parking lot of a Chipotle.
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Bullfrog
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Link broken. The period in your sentence somehow got included in the URL.
Charges dismissed against white couple that drew gun on Black mother, teen in parking lot dispute
Eric and Jillian Wuestenberg were charged after the latter was caught on camera pointing the weapon during the altercation with the woman and her then-15-year-old daughter. The incident happened in July of 2020 in the parking lot of a Chipotle.
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