Jack McCauley Speaks To MD Senate CCW Reform

TxAggie · Mar 17, 2015

capinyoass said:
As the head of the Maryland State Police Licensing Division, Jack McCauley decided what would qualify as a “good and substantial” reason to obtain a handgun permit on a case by case basis. Maryland is a “may issue” state — meaning the ultimate decision on whether to issue a concealed carry permit is left to a government official.

I'm unimpressed, as the head of the MSP he had a duty to the citizens he served to study the facts and do the right thing, he chose to play politics with the safety and well being of those he swore to protect. His 11th hour religious conversion is a little to late....Sounds like a campaign is coming.

Or he could be quite honest with us. I'll take him at face value and give him the benefit of the doubt until he proves otherwise.

It's not impossible to believe he was never around "gun enthusiasts" growing up, and obviously the entire structure of the MSP and state government is anti-gun, especially during his formative years as a trooper.

Regardless how he got here, he comes off as sincere, and informed on the issues.

GrimReaper · Mar 17, 2015

teratos said:
If they put "self defense" as a good reason, there should be nothing else that needs to be said. That is the intent of the legislation.

The other "benefit" of this legislation (if it comes up for a vote) is that it will force the anti-gun legislators to vote against self-defense. That will be on record.

Thats not how I see it but hopefully im wrong.

I think we are still going to run into issues when you put down that you need a permit for self defense because you live in a high crime area etc.. The trooper could just say well, so what? everyone in your area is in a high crime area, what makes you special?

I did not see anything about getting rid of the court ruling that McCauley mentioned about applicants needing to have a danger greater then the average person.(6:00 minute mark in video)

DC-W · Mar 17, 2015

GrimReaper said:
Thats not how I see it but hopefully im wrong.

I think we are still going to run into issues when you put down that you need a permit for self defense because you live in a high crime area etc.. The trooper could just say well, so what? everyone in your area is in a high crime area, what makes you special?

I did not see anything about getting rid of the court ruling that McCauley mentioned about applicants needing to have a danger greater then the average person.(6:00 minute mark in video)

The MSP has no clear definition of what G&S is, so that's what they fell back on. G&S is completely subjective. Adding self-defense to what constitutes G&S gives it a definition.

By either clarifying what G&S is, or killing it completely; the MSP can no longer subjectively decide who gets permits.

Straightshooter · Mar 17, 2015

capinyoass said:
As the head of the Maryland State Police Licensing Division, Jack McCauley decided what would qualify as a “good and substantial” reason to obtain a handgun permit on a case by case basis. Maryland is a “may issue” state — meaning the ultimate decision on whether to issue a concealed carry permit is left to a government official.

I'm unimpressed, as the head of the MSP he had a duty to the citizens he served to study the facts and do the right thing, he chose to play politics with the safety and well being of those he swore to protect. His 11th hour religious conversion is a little to late....Sounds like a campaign is coming.

May I suggest you do a little research before posting. Jack was not the head of the MSP as you seem to think, he was head of the licensing division, and as such, answered to the political marching orders of those above him. He had no power to decide what constitutes G&S. Try using facts the next time.

kmb · Mar 17, 2015

DC-W said:
That's a pretty crass summation. Watch the video and re-read what you wrote.

Exactly. As he stated in the video when asked about the issues at MSP, the decisions made were political. Buck the party line and find yourself re-assigned to an outlying post. If you didn't catch it, re-watch the video. If you are unfamiliar with the reality of not toeing party lines or company lines and being reassigned to less than desirable areas, consider yourself lucky.

dblas · Mar 17, 2015

capinyoass said:
As the head of the Maryland State Police Licensing Division, Jack McCauley decided what would qualify as a “good and substantial” reason to obtain a handgun permit on a case by case basis. Maryland is a “may issue” state — meaning the ultimate decision on whether to issue a concealed carry permit is left to a government official.

I'm unimpressed, as the head of the MSP he had a duty to the citizens he served to study the facts and do the right thing, he chose to play politics with the safety and well being of those he swore to protect. His 11th hour religious conversion is a little to late....Sounds like a campaign is coming.

Why don't you sit down with the man and ask him when his "11th hour conversion" happened? Why don't you ask him how many applications he reviewed and approved from the troopers that initially denied the applications.

I think you will find that Jack did the best that he could under the guidelines provided, and that pissed a lot of folks off in his command.

danb · Mar 17, 2015

capinyoass said:
As the head of the Maryland State Police Licensing Division, Jack McCauley decided what would qualify as a “good and substantial” reason to obtain a handgun permit on a case by case basis. Maryland is a “may issue” state — meaning the ultimate decision on whether to issue a concealed carry permit is left to a government official.

I'm unimpressed, as the head of the MSP he had a duty to the citizens he served to study the facts and do the right thing, he chose to play politics with the safety and well being of those he swore to protect. His 11th hour religious conversion is a little to late....Sounds like a campaign is coming.

So much wrong so little time.

capinyoass · Mar 17, 2015

Straightshooter said:
May I suggest you do a little research before posting. Jack was not the head of the MSP as you seem to think, he was head of the licensing division, and as such, answered to the political marching orders of those above him. He had no power to decide what constitutes G&S. Try using facts the next time.

We are talking about a hand gun license and to quote Jack McCauley:

"In 2013, I retired as the Commander of the Maryland State Police Licensing Division" that makes him the decider, your saying he did it to keep his job, and authority, I can't argue that denying applications for money and/or power makes it a more noble cause.

He made his bed.

Straightshooter · Mar 17, 2015

You don't like to listen do you? He was not "The Decider" as you state. The decision as to what constitutes G&S comes from higher up, including the Governor's office.
I suppose you have a job where you don't have to follow your bosses directions. Lucky you.

DC-W · Mar 17, 2015

Absurd. Did you even watch his testimony?

Or is the BGOS that bad?

Straightshooter · Mar 17, 2015

danb said:
So much wrong so little time.

Yep!

teratos · Mar 17, 2015

capinyoass said:
We are talking about a hand gun license and to quote Jack McCauley:

"In 2013, I retired as the Commander of the Maryland State Police Licensing Division" that makes him the decider, your saying he did it to keep his job, and authority, I can't argue that denying applications for money and/or power makes it a more noble cause.

He made his bed.

No, it doesn't make him the decider. He did not have carte blanche to do whatever the hell he wanted. He had a set of rules put in place by the legislature, supported by the governor (his boss), and enforced by the AG. He was more an an administrator.

Mooseman · Mar 17, 2015

Jack gave a fantastic address to the State Senate. I was thoroughly impressed. He would have made a great head of the MSP. He would make a great governor. The only surprise that I had watching that video is that he is much younger than I thought him to be.

Dr Dano HPR · Mar 17, 2015

I would find it interesting if Mr. McCauley could post a video or "lecture" of what his testimony would have been if he had been given unlimited time and leeway than the legislature will allow. Sort of an "Extended Version" without interruption. Or maybe a series of videos dealing with individual issues in shorter segments to cover them more fully. Thanks for your testimony and support of 2A issues.

moojersey · Mar 17, 2015

capinyoass said:
As the head of the Maryland State Police Licensing Division, Jack McCauley decided what would qualify as a “good and substantial” reason to obtain a handgun permit on a case by case basis. Maryland is a “may issue” state — meaning the ultimate decision on whether to issue a concealed carry permit is left to a government official.

I'm unimpressed, as the head of the MSP he had a duty to the citizens he served to study the facts and do the right thing, he chose to play politics with the safety and well being of those he swore to protect. His 11th hour religious conversion is a little to late....Sounds like a campaign is coming.

He put his family first while he was an active trooper and subject to the whims of O'Malley. I don't blame him and I'd bet most of us would have done the same if we were in his shoes. I'm thankful he is so outspoken now that he can be with no fear of repurcussion.

TopShelf · Mar 17, 2015

12K views and counting!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdUaPDiW-GY

Brooklyn · Mar 17, 2015

capinyoass said:
As the head of the Maryland State Police Licensing Division, Jack McCauley decided what would qualify as a “good and substantial” reason to obtain a handgun permit on a case by case basis. Maryland is a “may issue” state — meaning the ultimate decision on whether to issue a concealed carry permit is left to a government official.

I'm unimpressed, as the head of the MSP he had a duty to the citizens he served to study the facts and do the right thing, he chose to play politics with the safety and well being of those he swore to protect. His 11th hour religious conversion is a little to late....Sounds like a campaign is coming.

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Brooklyn · Mar 17, 2015

capinyoass said:
We are talking about a hand gun license and to quote Jack McCauley:

"In 2013, I retired as the Commander of the Maryland State Police Licensing Division" that makes him the decider, your saying he did it to keep his job, and authority, I can't argue that denying applications for money and/or power makes it a more noble cause.

He made his bed.

.

mxrider · Mar 17, 2015

capinyoass said:
As the head of the Maryland State Police Licensing Division, Jack McCauley decided what would qualify as a “good and substantial” reason to obtain a handgun permit on a case by case basis. Maryland is a “may issue” state — meaning the ultimate decision on whether to issue a concealed carry permit is left to a government official.

I'm unimpressed, as the head of the MSP he had a duty to the citizens he served to study the facts and do the right thing, he chose to play politics with the safety and well being of those he swore to protect. His 11th hour religious conversion is a little to late....Sounds like a campaign is coming.

A little more to this story than what you have read so far. While he was the head of the licensing division, the law stated that Good and Substantial must be met and the authority on this was set by Case Law that there had to be an apprehended fear of danger greater than the average person. This is what he went by. He was unable to do anything about this. Placing Self Defense into the written law would do away with that case law. Another thing that you fail to understand based on what I have read is that he retired from MSP due to the politcal corruptness of his superiors when he was silenced by them during testimony before the members of the house. I understand your thoughts here, but please be sure of the facts prior to spouting off.

mxrider · Mar 17, 2015

DC-W said:
It's on TTAG!

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/03/daniel-zimmerman/quote-of-the-day-road-to-damascus-edition/

I would anticipate that Ammoland will likely publish something about this soon as well, thanks to a secret email to them from someone

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