Anyone here with a MD CCW and NOT a business owner or cop?

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  • silverwolf

    Senior Member
    Feb 14, 2011
    247
    Showing bank deposits is not required. It is something that they ask for, as a way of denying you, should you not deposit enough at one time. They will also deny you, if you do not provide them. G&S is not defined in the law and MSP LD says they know G&S when they see it.

    Correct, G&S is not defined in the law. I'm just relating the current guidance that the MSP investigators are being given from the licensing division for CCW applicants. YMMV.
     

    DaemonAssassin

    Why should we Free BSD?
    Jun 14, 2012
    23,970
    Political refugee in WV
    Correct, G&S is not defined in the law. I'm just relating the current guidance that the MSP investigators are being given from the licensing division for CCW applicants. YMMV.

    Their "guidance" is being used as law, because the uninformed don't know any better and won't stand up to them, for fear of not getting a permit. There is a lot of "guidance" from MSP LD that is a bunch of crap, that has never been codified into law or COMAR, yet they claim it is in the law.

    Apples to oranges on this one, but roll with me. MSP issued "guidance" about HBAR. The answer MSP gave was that it had to be stamped or advertised as heavy barrel or HBAR. No where in the law is that a requirement, it is more made up bullchit that they are putting out there and the gullible take that "guidance" as being part of MD law and COMAR.

    My personal feelings are to give them the bare minimum and if denied, go to the review board. If denied there, take it to court and see how that plays out. If the court says that my G&S is acceptable under G&S, then MD must issue the permit. If the court comes back and says that my G&S is not acceptable, I can use other instances where people have gotten a permit for providing the same amount of information, yet were approved, so the entire scheme is arbitrary and capricious, and continue in court. But then again, very few are willing to take it that far due to funding and other things, and that is how MD has gotten as far as it has in denying our rights.
     
    Feb 28, 2013
    28,953
    Showing bank deposits is not required. It is something that they ask for, as a way of denying you, should you not deposit enough at one time. They will also deny you, if you do not provide them. G&S is not defined in the law and MSP LD says they know G&S when they see it.

    Yeah, kinda like “assault weapons are like porn. We know it when we see it”. In this case, G&S is how much political pull can be exerted on the Captain of the staties’ LD and by whom.:rolleyes:
     

    USAFRavenR6

    Active Member
    Apr 7, 2012
    734
    Mur-land
    If you are trying to use the OPM breach as justification, I hope have deep pockets, a long time, and that the HPRB doesn't get abolished by the state legislature.

    The first two statements here could not be further from the truth. I have assisted multiple people at work in getting their unrestricted permits, none of them own businesses. I just just got my renewal in 3 weeks and no issues. Apply for the permit and play but the rules the system has in place and you will come out on top. The guys I helped didnt need to go to the HPRB, they were approved within 2 months of their applications.
     

    jkeys

    Active Member
    Jan 30, 2013
    665
    The first two statements here could not be further from the truth. I have assisted multiple people at work in getting their unrestricted permits, none of them own businesses. I just just got my renewal in 3 weeks and no issues. Apply for the permit and play but the rules the system has in place and you will come out on top. The guys I helped didnt need to go to the HPRB, they were approved within 2 months of their applications.

    MSP stopped allowing the OPM breach and security clearances as a reason.You must hve documented threats against your life (not general threats against a group of government employees).
     

    USAFRavenR6

    Active Member
    Apr 7, 2012
    734
    Mur-land
    MSP stopped allowing the OPM breach and security clearances as a reason.You must hve documented threats against your life (not general threats against a group of government employees).

    How do you know this? I just renewed 3 weeks ago and used that same exact reason as G&S. Just because people are not coming onto this board to talk about it does not mean it isnt happening. A coworker of mine just got his less than 3 months ago using the OPM breach and threats of ISIS. If the MSP says no, fight it. Articulate your reasoning (whatever it is) around the two court cases and submit it. If they say no, take it to the board.
     

    sino26

    Member
    Mar 5, 2013
    239
    Columbia
    How do you know this? I just renewed 3 weeks ago and used that same exact reason as G&S. Just because people are not coming onto this board to talk about it does not mean it isnt happening. A coworker of mine just got his less than 3 months ago using the OPM breach and threats of ISIS. If the MSP says no, fight it. Articulate your reasoning (whatever it is) around the two court cases and submit it. If they say no, take it to the board.

    Does your coworker also have an active clearance?
     

    44man

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 19, 2013
    10,129
    southern md
    When can the average joe the ditchdigger get his permit?
    And how long would it take and how much would it cost?
    Inquiring minds want to know.
     

    Afrikeber

    Ultimate Member
    Jan 14, 2013
    6,679
    Urbana, Md.
    Become a politician or head of an organization like the the NAACP, Jewish Defense League, etc. otherwise be wealthy or connected.
     

    knastera

    Just another shooter
    May 6, 2013
    1,484
    Baltimore County
    Become a politician or head of an organization like the the NAACP, Jewish Defense League, etc. otherwise be wealthy or connected.



    JDL? Seriously? What's that about? Pathetic bigot. The JDL doesn't represent the majority of Jews any more than the IRA represented the majority of Irish people. The JDL is a terrorist organization whose members stand no more of a chance of getting a permit than members of MS-13.
     

    USAFRavenR6

    Active Member
    Apr 7, 2012
    734
    Mur-land
    JDL? Seriously? What's that about? Pathetic bigot. The JDL doesn't represent the majority of Jews any more than the IRA represented the majority of Irish people. The JDL is a terrorist organization whose members stand no more of a chance of getting a permit than members of MS-13.

    The IRA is not a good example as we all want the English out of Ireland..... Just saying.
     

    GolfR

    Ultimate Member
    Oct 20, 2016
    1,324
    Columbia MD
    The first two statements here could not be further from the truth. I have assisted multiple people at work in getting their unrestricted permits, none of them own businesses. I just just got my renewal in 3 weeks and no issues. Apply for the permit and play but the rules the system has in place and you will come out on top. The guys I helped didnt need to go to the HPRB, they were approved within 2 months of their applications.

    Im curious if you and your two friends obtained written verification of your clearance from a security officer. I was told that this would be required and no security officer would do it.
     

    knastera

    Just another shooter
    May 6, 2013
    1,484
    Baltimore County
    The IRA is not a good example as we all want the English out of Ireland..... Just saying.



    I agree that England should get out of Ireland. I don't think that the majority of Irish folks believe in accomplishing that goal through terrorism. That's why I said that the IRA was not any more indicative of the Irish people than the JDL is of Jewish people. Both the JDL and pre-Sinn Fein IRA believed that the means of terrorism was justified by the ends of liberation.
     

    Chaim

    Active Member
    Aug 10, 2008
    358
    Columbia
    So, gov't security clearance and personal info out there on the "dark web", has had life threatened (both very limited, and somewhat uncommon, though both not as uncommon in MD as in most places), or business owner for most here. I'm a teacher and had various threats through the years from students (only one I took seriously when a few years ago a gang banger who was paralyzed from a gunshot threatened to kill me and another teacher- admin said we had nothing to worry about so the only docs are a student referral which is protected, confidential student info). I'm Jewish and when more religious and I wore a yarmulke I'd have the more or less weekly threats where someone would say something, but it was rarely "I'm going to kill you..." and usually something more general like "Go back to the ovens..." or "Hitler should have finished the job". I imagine documenting the rise in violent anti-semetic attacks in the country over the past 4 or 5 years wouldn't be much help (especially since I don't wear my yarmulke all the time anymore, just to synagogue). So, I guess, as I figured, I'm SOL.
     

    knastera

    Just another shooter
    May 6, 2013
    1,484
    Baltimore County
    So, gov't security clearance and personal info out there on the "dark web", has had life threatened (both very limited, and somewhat uncommon, though both not as uncommon in MD as in most places), or business owner for most here. I'm a teacher and had various threats through the years from students (only one I took seriously when a few years ago a gang banger who was paralyzed from a gunshot threatened to kill me and another teacher- admin said we had nothing to worry about so the only docs are a student referral which is protected, confidential student info). I'm Jewish and when more religious and I wore a yarmulke I'd have the more or less weekly threats where someone would say something, but it was rarely "I'm going to kill you..." and usually something more general like "Go back to the ovens..." or "Hitler should have finished the job". I imagine documenting the rise in violent anti-semetic attacks in the country over the past 4 or 5 years wouldn't be much help (especially since I don't wear my yarmulke all the time anymore, just to synagogue). So, I guess, as I figured, I'm SOL.



    Chaim, if you ask Afrikeber, Jewish guys like you and me have the inside track on getting permits.
     

    USAFRavenR6

    Active Member
    Apr 7, 2012
    734
    Mur-land
    Im curious if you and your two friends obtained written verification of your clearance from a security officer. I was told that this would be required and no security officer would do it.

    They provided nothing but the OPM letter. Its not your job to make the case for the MSP. Put forward your package and articulate your positions well. IF they deny you, take it to the HPRB and make them price their position against you, with evidence per HPRB SOP. The MSP can not do it. All they do is come in and read some summary, which is NOT evidence against you for the denial. Just apply man, you will be happy you did.
     

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