Current (2018) 9mm defensive ammo
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A good reference to keep handy:
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?4337-Service-Caliber-Handgun-Duty-and-Self-Defense-Ammo
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?4337-Service-Caliber-Handgun-Duty-and-Self-Defense-Ammo
I been using Federal 147 hydroshocks and Critical Defense. Like Horaday's name so I could say that it was defensive ammo in court. Just bought a torso mold and ballistic gel so I will probably have some fotos this summer
https://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2018/3/20/review-novx-ammunition/
This idea is interesting. I would like to see some real world usage.
This idea is interesting. I would like to see some real world usage.
I've shot up two boxes of those, but don't have the ability to replicate their claims in the ballistics gel, etc. I can say: they've fed through all four 9mm shootin' irons I have nicely, they're as accurate as anything else I've got, and they definitely have less felt recoil for all that velocity they render. And: a mag full of them is for sure a LOT lighter than their traditional counterparts. That has a certain appeal when you're carrying full load and a spare in your shorts.
Sig is rolling their own now, or at least putting their name on it. I use their 124 gr +P or 147 gr. No problems with feeding in any of the EDC rotation.
I guess I am the rare bird out. I use Remington Golden Sabre 124gr +P.
Not the bonded. Though if I can track down the bonded I’ll switch. I’ve run a couple of boxes through my G17 and have a couple more boxes on hand (well, two loaded mags and the remains of those two boxes). From what I can find it works well. In heavy clothing or through barriers there is sometimes core seperation, but the jacket usually still penetrates 8+” even when there is jacket and core seperation. It does expand in heavy clothing and barriers.
It isn’t the best of the best, but a lot better than cheap generic JHP. And it is about the lowest cost “more modern” JHP I can find. Which allows me to test more of it and use more of it. I don’t need to shoot a metric ton of it, but I am hoping to be able to run a magazine through my G17 every few months to make sure what I have continues to work fine and the handgun isn’t hiccuping all of the sudden with the defensive load (testing the gun having parts wearing out as much as the ammo on hand).
Since it does seem to run well I’ll probably pickup 6-8 boxes next time I order form SGAmmo if they have it in stock at the time. I don’t need hundreds of rounds other than that periodic testing. Two loaded mags are all I really care about that is my minimum needs if I am reaching for a gun.
As said long ago, my handgun is for fighting to get to my rifle.
Not the bonded. Though if I can track down the bonded I’ll switch. I’ve run a couple of boxes through my G17 and have a couple more boxes on hand (well, two loaded mags and the remains of those two boxes). From what I can find it works well. In heavy clothing or through barriers there is sometimes core seperation, but the jacket usually still penetrates 8+” even when there is jacket and core seperation. It does expand in heavy clothing and barriers.
It isn’t the best of the best, but a lot better than cheap generic JHP. And it is about the lowest cost “more modern” JHP I can find. Which allows me to test more of it and use more of it. I don’t need to shoot a metric ton of it, but I am hoping to be able to run a magazine through my G17 every few months to make sure what I have continues to work fine and the handgun isn’t hiccuping all of the sudden with the defensive load (testing the gun having parts wearing out as much as the ammo on hand).
Since it does seem to run well I’ll probably pickup 6-8 boxes next time I order form SGAmmo if they have it in stock at the time. I don’t need hundreds of rounds other than that periodic testing. Two loaded mags are all I really care about that is my minimum needs if I am reaching for a gun.
As said long ago, my handgun is for fighting to get to my rifle.
cotman68
Active Member
Hornady Critical Defense in my G-19
For the same reasons Jimbob said
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Zorros
Ultimate Member
Lazarus. I think i saw bonded sabers at target sports very recently. May have been something else but worth the look. Jon a dealer on this board might get a case if he can sell all to one or more buyers. I found the golden sabers the most reliable rds for a G 42. Never failed to load or eject.
alucard0822
For great Justice
a few are making ammo that uses a similar mechanism, it could be the next big thing if it proves itself, which so far IMO hasn't happened..
The Lehigh design seems most promising
https://www.lehighdefense.com/products/9mm-luger-p-90gr-xtreme-defense-ammunition?variant=4431999236
It is a similar profile to older sucessful armor piercing designs, and being a copper solid should be a good barrier penetrator if nothing else. The shape channels soft tissue outwards to crush additional tissue without expanding and crushing it directly, while the actual surface area remains small to penetrate harder material. Gel tests are impressive, but haven't seen tests with media similar to soft tissu's tensile strength, and not just similar density.
Yeah, granted it is an 80%, but I finally have my Glock 17 running reliably after having messed up a couple of parts installs and some light work on the barrel hood and slide interface.
Except Winchester’s. For some reason Winchester white box still wants to have 1 in 30 not to fully in to battery and I have to tap the slide to seat it. I’ve run 80 of Remington golden sabres, a box of wolf steel, 150+ of Remington UMC 115gr and maybe 200 federal aluminum case without one hiccup...but 3 failures to fully go in to battery out of 100 rounds of Winchester white box on my most recent range trip...
And I am positive I wasn’t riding the slide or limp wristing it.
Anyway, I’ll grant you other SD ammo might work fine, but I am going with “what I know” and I know golden sabres seem to be running just fine in it. That they seem to be about the cheapest vaguely recent generation SD ammo is a nice perk.
But because of the early reliability issues I won’t feel really comfortable until I am sure it is just the Winchester white box causing problems and run another couple of boxes of the golden sabres without hiccups.
The physics is sound. It will be interesting to see what happens with it in the future.
danb
dont be a dumbass
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danb
dont be a dumbass
Zorros
Ultimate Member
Lazarus. Totally understand why you would stick to what works. I have a G33 for carry and it would fail to load speer gold dots. Sent it back, still failed. Gave up and found that sig v vrown and fed hst worked great ( fired 200 rds of fed with no failures; fewer sig v crowns). Sun i ran the last half of a box of speer GD thru the gun using, this time, a .40 mag from my G27 and no failures in 2 mags. I would like to try more speers but like you, i will stick to what i know works. I don’t believe the fed hst are a disadvantage.
They're great if you need to stop a gel block. LOLI'm still using HPR Black Ops. Its very impressive in a gel block, but unfortunately they went out of business
ETA; I have a bunch of it and dont get into gun fights very often so I guess I'll be using it for a while
If any of my properly placed Gold dots fail to stop someone, then I'll romance other brands.
Mr.Blue
Living In A Bizarro World
Gold Dot +P. I have +P+ too, but I think it’s overkill, especially with a typical carry gun. With the +P+ follow up shots with a compact or subcompact will be slower. I think you are good with regular power Gold Dots IMHO.
An added benefit is training with Speer Lawman. It’s excellent training ammo and has all the characteristics of the Gold Dot minus the hollow point .
The NYPD, the largest department in the country, uses Gold Dot with great success. My cousin used to give me some of his allotted range ammo. Free Gold Dots for the win.
An added benefit is training with Speer Lawman. It’s excellent training ammo and has all the characteristics of the Gold Dot minus the hollow point .
The NYPD, the largest department in the country, uses Gold Dot with great success. My cousin used to give me some of his allotted range ammo. Free Gold Dots for the win.
I like my big p p.
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