22LR Rifles patterned after ARs, copycats?

grayson71 · Feb 22, 2013

In the bill the talk about the feature test and copycat weapons, does that mean I would have to register my M&P 15-22 if the bill passes? I didnt see anything about them being exempt

SkunkWerX · Feb 22, 2013

Of course you would.

lx1x · Feb 22, 2013

SkunkWerX said:
Of course you would.

Not center fired. So that would be no I think.

Sthomas229 · Feb 22, 2013

grayson71 said:
In the bill the talk about the feature test and copycat weapons, does that mean I would have to register my M&P 15-22 if the bill passes? I didnt see anything about them being exempt

No

"(E) (1) “COPYCAT WEAPON” MEANS: 3
(I) A SEMIAUTOMATIC CENTERFIRE RIFLE THAT CAN 4 ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE AND HAS ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:"

7A38 · Feb 22, 2013

grayson71 said:
In the bill the talk about the feature test and copycat weapons, does that mean I would have to register my M&P 15-22 if the bill passes? I didnt see anything about them being exempt

It would be exempt because it is not a "centerfire" rifle. (See p 6, line 4; Sec 4-301(E)(1)(I))

7A38

grayson71 · Feb 22, 2013

7A38 said:
It would be exempt because it is not a "centerfire" rifle. (See p 6, line 4; Sec 4-301(E)(1)(I))

7A38

thanks, i think that my eyes had glazed over by the time i got to that section

Silent Scope · Feb 22, 2013

So I don't need to rush out and buy a .22 AR, I should be able to pick them up even if the ban goes through? Will .22 mags still be limited to 10?

SkunkWerX · Feb 22, 2013

I stand corrected!! Thanks everyone. How about a .22lr pistol with a threaded barrel, that hold 10 rounds or less?

Oriolesfan93p · Feb 22, 2013

bbs114 said:
So I don't need to rush out and buy a .22 AR, I should be able to pick them up even if the ban goes through? Will .22 mags still be limited to 10?

Unless I am mistaken mags on all firearms are being restricted to 10, however I am not sure if that can be circumvented like the 20 rnd. cap is now by simply going over to VA to get your standard size mag

aray · Feb 22, 2013

7A38 said:
It would be exempt because it is not a "centerfire" rifle. (See p 6, line 4; Sec 4-301(E)(1)(I))

7A38

This is wrong by my read. Or rather not wrong just incomplete.

Page 6 line 4 Section 4-301(E)(1)(I) does indeed specify "centerfire". But read on:

Page 6 line 4 Section 4-301(E)(1)(IV) does not constrain it to centerfire.

Quoting:

"A semiautomatic pistol that can accept a detachable magazine and has any of the following:
1. A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
4. The capacity to accept a detachable magazine outside the pistol grip."

Even with the amended SB 281 "two characteristic" feature the M&P 15-22 still qualifies - due to the rails it is capable of accepting a forward handgrip, and of course the detachable magazine is outside the pistol grip.

This firearm was previously unregulated. If this bill passes it goes from being unregulated to being an assault weapon all in one fell swoop, as I read the way it is written.

Bohlieve410 · Feb 22, 2013

Oriolesfan93p said:
Unless I am mistaken mags on all firearms are being restricted to 10, however I am not sure if that can be circumvented like the 20 rnd. cap is now by simply going over to VA to get your standard size mag

How are they gonna stop us?

aray · Feb 22, 2013

SkunkWerX said:
I stand corrected!! Thanks everyone. How about a .22lr pistol with a threaded barrel, that hold 10 rounds or less?

Same thing here.

Page 6 line 4 Section 4-301(E)(1)(IV) applies to both centerfire and rimfire. A semi auto is going to have a detachable mag. Subsection (1) bans it if it has a threaded barrel.

So for example my Ruger 22/45 pistol (http://www.ruger.com/products/2245ThreadedBarrel/models.html) has a threaded barrel so - bang - assault pistol.

And I have a Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 too, so I'm double hosed.

grayson71 · Feb 22, 2013

aray said:
Same thing here.

Page 6 line 4 Section 4-301(E)(1)(IV) applies to both centerfire and rimfire. A semi auto is going to have a detachable mag. Subsection (1) bans it if it has a threaded barrel.

So for example my Ruger 22/45 pistol (http://www.ruger.com/products/2245ThreadedBarrel/models.html) has a threaded barrel so - bang - assault pistol.

And I have a Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 too, so I'm double hosed.

fvck!!! I hate this state!!! :mad54:

Time to get another cup of coffee and send more emails...

SkunkWerX · Feb 22, 2013

aray said:
Same thing here.

Page 6 line 4 Section 4-301(E)(1)(IV) applies to both centerfire and rimfire. A semi auto is going to have a detachable mag. Subsection (1) bans it if it has a threaded barrel.

So for example my Ruger 22/45 pistol (http://www.ruger.com/products/2245ThreadedBarrel/models.html) has a threaded barrel so - bang - assault pistol.

And I have a Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 too, so I'm double hosed.

OH, got it!! If it's a SEMI-pistol, all it needs is ONE other trait.
My FNP .45 Tactical is doooomed! :rolleyes:

But, let's say, my Ruger MKIII which is not threaded, is a semi and holds 10 or less should be exempt. right?

aray · Feb 22, 2013

The Ruger MKIII which is not threaded should be OK. As for everything else not clear if it has only ONE characteristic. SB 281 was amended last night. We know they adopted a two v. one characteristic to define assault weapons, but we haven't seen the exact language yet. So things should be a bit better, a bit, but we'll see what the real text is once it's posted. It's possible 1 v. 2 got amended one place - but not another.

But the House equivalent, HB 294, still has only one characteristic. It has not been amended. Which is one of the very long list of reasons why we need to show up in force on March 1 in the House of Delegates.

jettoblack · Feb 22, 2013

aray said:
Page 6 line 4 Section 4-301(E)(1)(IV) does not constrain it to centerfire.

Quoting:

"A semiautomatic pistol that can accept a detachable magazine and has any of the following:
1. A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
4. The capacity to accept a detachable magazine outside the pistol grip."

IANAL, but the S&W M&P 15-22 is a rifle, not a pistol, so I don't think this would apply to it.

7A38 · Feb 22, 2013

aray said:
Same thing here.

Page 6 line 4 Section 4-301(E)(1)(IV) applies to both centerfire and rimfire. A semi auto is going to have a detachable mag. Subsection (1) bans it if it has a threaded barrel.

So for example my Ruger 22/45 pistol (http://www.ruger.com/products/2245ThreadedBarrel/models.html) has a threaded barrel so - bang - assault pistol.

And I have a Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 too, so I'm double hosed.

Page 6 line 4 is Section 4-301(E)(1)(I), not (IV). This applies to semi-auto centerfire rifles (not rimfire rifles or any kind of handgun).

Section 4-301(E)(1)(IV) is page 6 line 17, not line 4. This applies to semi-auto handguns (centerfire and rimfire, but not rifles).

jettoblack said:
IANAL, but the S&W M&P 15-22 is a rifle, not a pistol, so I don't think this would apply to it.

jettoblack, you are correct. I think aray is confused.

Guys, I know and understand this section very well. I have been talking to people in Annapolis about it regularly.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

7A38

aray · Feb 22, 2013

Yep, you're right, I was confused. Thanks for setting me straight. I withdraw my comments about the M&P 15-22. Pistol v rifle on that one sheesh... :blush:

This is one time I'm very glad to be wrong! :party29:

Silent Scope · Feb 23, 2013

Oriolesfan93p said:
Unless I am mistaken mags on all firearms are being restricted to 10, however I am not sure if that can be circumvented like the 20 rnd. cap is now by simply going over to VA to get your standard size mag

True, they aren't banning possession just yet.

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