C&R to C&R

arbud · Mar 5, 2018

Can a c and r holder buy or sell to anotber c and r holder in MD. Thank you

rfawcs · Mar 5, 2018

Handguns have to go through an FFL for in-state transfers. Out of state seller, no problem. Go figure.

Sundazes · Mar 5, 2018

From my understanding, if you are both in Md and it is a handgun, you can't do the transfer in the state. Drive into VA/PA do the deal. If you don't want to do that then has to be transferred through an FFL.

Melnic · Mar 5, 2018

here you go:
This is a bit of a list of scenarios and how you need to do the transfer for MD residents

https://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=3285579&postcount=583

Abulg1972 · Mar 5, 2018

C&R to C&R

sundazes said:
Drive into VA/PA do the deal.

You should not do this unless you want a cell mate.

Doctor_M · Mar 5, 2018

Abulg1972 said:
You should not do this unless you want a cell mate.

Seems to be a gray area... to my knowledge, nobody has be prosecuted for doing this... but why look for trouble.

CasualObserver · Mar 5, 2018

arbud

I've noticed that you've asked similar questions about dealing with C&R transfers the last 6 months or so. If you don't have a clear understanding you might want to just stay away from FFL03 and stick with dealing with FFL dealers. Trying not to offend, but the laws and rules can be confusing and not easy to understand for some folks. Melnic's post/link is a good one though.

https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?p=5093705#post5093705

https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=213998&page=1

knastera · Mar 6, 2018

If you decide to go through an FFL (or the State Police), there is no HQL requirement for C&R guns.

lazarus · Mar 6, 2018

Doctor_M said:
Seems to be a gray area... to my knowledge, nobody has be prosecuted for doing this... but why look for trouble.

Not to the best of my knowledge. granted I am waiting to get my C&R back from the ATF right now, but the wording I can find in the paperwork and on their site says C&R is really onlymgoing to cover you for INTERSTATE transfers.

If the recipient and the seller are from the same state it doesn’t matter where they are when the transfer occurs, under federal law it would not be considered an interstate transfer.

Not very grey and I absolutely wouldn’t risk doing what is likely breaking the law. $10 and a little extra hassle costing the local MSP barracks is worth a heck of a lot.

Abulg1972 · Mar 7, 2018

lazarus said:
Not to the best of my knowledge. granted I am waiting to get my C&R back from the ATF right now, but the wording I can find in the paperwork and on their site says C&R is really onlymgoing to cover you for INTERSTATE transfers.

If the recipient and the seller are from the same state it doesn’t matter where they are when the transfer occurs, under federal law it would not be considered an interstate transfer.

Not very grey and I absolutely wouldn’t risk doing what is likely breaking the law. $10 and a little extra hassle costing the local MSP barracks is worth a heck of a lot.

Yup

Sundazes · Mar 7, 2018

lazarus said:
Not to the best of my knowledge. granted I am waiting to get my C&R back from the ATF right now, but the wording I can find in the paperwork and on their site says C&R is really onlymgoing to cover you for INTERSTATE transfers.

If the recipient and the seller are from the same state it doesn’t matter where they are when the transfer occurs, under federal law it would not be considered an interstate transfer.

Not very grey and I absolutely wouldn’t risk doing what is likely breaking the law. $10 and a little extra hassle costing the local MSP barracks is worth a heck of a lot.

I stand corrected. Thank you.

TLL · Mar 7, 2018

A friend of mine with a C&R bought a couple of firearms from in state FFLs and no negative results after audits. FFLs accepted the 003. ATF either did not see the transactions or did not care, legal.
It's been 3 and 4 years ago in Virginia.

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Biggfoot44 · Mar 7, 2018

Different thing .

Abulg1972 · Mar 7, 2018

TLL said:
A friend of mine with a C&R bought a couple of firearms from in state FFLs and no negative results after audits. FFLs accepted the 003. ATF either did not see the transactions or did not care, legal.
It's been 3 and 4 years ago in Virginia.

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I have a friend who was knocking boots with a married chick. Her husband came home every night but he never caught her. It all worked out fine!

planktonadbc · Mar 7, 2018

My brother in law and I are 03 C&R holders. If we see stuff we buy for our collection. He lives in PA and I live in WV.
We trade licenses copies, copies of drivers licenses (We photograph them on our phones, print at home for our book) and cash. Beers, punch and pie.......

lazarus · Mar 8, 2018

Abulg1972 said:
I have a friend who was knocking boots with a married chick. Her husband came home every night but he never caught her. It all worked out fine!

This, but also what bigfoot said. I am not on the up and up on all that VA requires, but MD law says it doesn’t matter and you still have to do a 77r for any intrastate transfers of a handgun. There is an AG opinion later saying a 77r is not required for a C&R license holder doing an interstate transfer.

But interstate requires it to be between citizens of seperate states. Other states are possibly going to have other requirements. Hell somenstates it is F2F for handguns.

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