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Old March 19th, 2020, 12:13 PM #11
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You are confused. this is not in any way analogous to limiting gatherings but akin the government forbidding the press from criticizing actions of the government. What you are saying is it would be justified for Trump to shut down the NYT if they criticized his actions, since it is in the interest of the government that everyone cooperate!

And there are no "broad powers" to limit assembly to petition the government, that is about the most narrow power subject to the strictest scrutiny theri s.

it is 100% unconstitutional even during an emergency to say that you are limiting gatherings in order to limit the expression of the right to express dissent.
No US governor, mayor or president can say: "I am limiting gatherings,, gathering size etc protest due to government interest in limiting dissent"

and no governor, Mayor, or President can say we are suspending mirandizing because we don't want people to understand their right to counsel.


The mayor in this case is explicitly saying he is acting to limit the right, not the transmission risk.

he is not closing the gun store because people could get wuhan, he is not doing this to mitigate wuhan transmission at all --he is using that law for another purpose entirely: so that qualified people can not acquire firearms or ammunition
The SCOUS needs to set the level of scrutiny for 2A ASAP.




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Old March 19th, 2020, 12:31 PM #12
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Sometimes those who did not learn to "stack it deep when its cheap" decide to panic buy when they think things may run low or run low and stay low for a period of time. Not just because they think they may need it right away.
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Old March 19th, 2020, 12:33 PM #13
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I’ve been trying to buy distilled water for our espresso machine. Why on earth are people panic-buying distilled water?
I need it for my CPAP.... good luck. You can make it yourself. Google is your friend
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Old March 19th, 2020, 12:44 PM #14
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The Constitution is a document that means nothing , way before this pandemic they have been breaking constitutional laws and our rights . Means nothing to them they have never suffered as a result so they keep doing it .

More or less like children making bad choices and never been held accountable turn int PITA adults .
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saves me from having to do it myself , cpap requires it . i'm not hoarding but i did buy an extra gallon .
They say that but I just put vinegar in to wash out the minerals every couple months.
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Our Wegmans was completely out of distilled water but there was plenty of purified water on hand. That was a few days ago.
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Another, nothing abut transmission whatever in the reason. Entire list of reasons has to do with behaviors that would be the same with hurricane, tornado, earthquake etc,. Zero to do with limiting disease transmission venues
https://kmph.com/news/local/fresnos-...r-broad-powers

IE about gun and ammo purchases by lawful persons being stopped to limit to "unruly behavior."
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Not a Judge Nap fan but...

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I was thinking about the executive powers during a crisis more generally; along the lines of 1st amendment issues of freedom to gather/demonstrate, freedom of association issues, and around religious practice/gathering.
I think it's a good idea to practice social distancing voluntarily, but was thinking about the governor's executive order limiting gathering sizes, among other things. It's something that no one is likely to challenge during an emergency. So, given that we seem to accept executives having this broad power to restrict 1st amendment rights, what is to stop them from restricting 2nd amendment rights?
I guess that is no longer a hypothetical... Thanks for posting.


https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/judg...ty-coronavirus

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...Add to all this, the protection in the First Amendment of the right to associate and the judicially recognized right to travel – both of which are natural rights – and it is clear that these nanny state rules are unconstitutional, unlawful and unworthy of respect or compliance.

Why is this happening? Throughout history, free people have been willing to accept the devil's bargain of trading liberty for safety when they are fearful. We supinely accept the shallow and hollow offers of government that somehow less liberty equals more safety.

This happened here with the Alien and Sedition Acts in the 1790s when the Federalists feared a second revolution, during the Civil War when Lincoln feared dissent and Congress feared defeat, during World War I when President Woodrow Wilson suppressed the speech he hated and feared, and during the Great Depression when President Franklin Delano Roosevelt feared economic calamity and seized property without compensation.

And, after 9/11, fearing another attack, Congress secretly crafted the Patriot Act's circumvention of the Fourth Amendment and creation of the total surveillance state.

This sordid history came about when the public was fearful of the unknown and trustful of the government's bargain. But the safety offered for the liberty sacrificed never came to pass.

Moreover, liberty is natural and personal. You can sacrifice yours, but you cannot sacrifice mine. The natural nature of personal liberty – Thomas Jefferson's Declaration of Independence calls our rights inalienable and James Madison's Ninth Amendment reflects their nature as limitless – insulates their existence and exercise in a free society from totalitarian and even majoritarian interference.

Today the fear of contagion gives government cover for its assaults on freedom and poses a question the government does not want to answer: If liberty can be taken away in times of crisis, then is it really liberty; or is it just a license, via a temporary government permission slip, subject to the whims of politicians in power?.....
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IE about gun and ammo purchases by lawful persons being stopped to limit to "unruly behavior."
That's crazy. I have plenty enough ammo on hand to be extremely unruly
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Unconstitutional as hell. That mayor needs to be arrested and charged with violating his oath of office.
This part bothers me. If "Lawmakers" pass a law that is found to be unconstitutional, why do we have to pay to question it. They should be barred for life from being a lawmaker. Im a bit tired of paying for both sides of the screw. That's just me.
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