Confiscation question.

Joe Marino said:

Before the IRS, Social Security, State taxes it would have been impossible to confiscate guns. Lose my military pension, Social Security, health care or turn in my guns....what would you do.

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Hasn’t happened yet to any of the non compliars in various states and I don’t see it happening.

Conservatively, there are 15-20 million AR-15, AK-47, SKS, and other similar semiautomatic rifles privately held in the US. This isn't Australia, and it isn't New Zealand. Some people in Congress will talk tough, but even in the worst case scenarios, they can only achieve things incrementally.

1) ban future sales and transfers of centerfire semiautomatic rifles
2) UBCs, national firearms licensing requirement (even for break action shotguns), and attempt to register who has what
3) stop inheritances, part sales, and initiate "buy backs"/confiscations of semiautomatic rifles

They might get (1) and they might get UBCs ... but I think the rest will be hard to pass as well as enforce. Even UBCs for used guns will be hard to enforce. The black market for firearms will grow to be much larger than it is now.

However, I hope that the current Democratic candidates keep talking bans and forced buy backs. A poll question about whether people think that assault rifles should be banned is not the same as trying to get voters support to taking away their semiautomatic guns.

fidelity said:

... I bet most of these folks would similarly seek to ban semiautomatic pistols if it were not for Heller.
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Take it back. If reading correctly, they might be after semiautomatic pistols too (and definitely AR-15 pistols) calling them assault weapons ...

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1296/text

Muleskinner said:

Most firearms have a trail. All the government needs to do is demand all FFLs turn over their logs. With the exception of 80: percents and some older guns they can find out who bought what..while it's possible that the original owner may not still have it, that's not going to stop the feds from coming after who's name it's still listed to.

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Sure. And then hire thousands of clerks to read and index/cross reference the billions of individual 4473s.

fidelity said:

Conservatively, there are 15-20 million AR-15, AK-47, SKS, and other similar semiautomatic rifles privately held in the US. This isn't Australia, and it isn't New Zealand. Some people in Congress will talk tough, but even in the worst case scenarios, they can only achieve things incrementally.

1) ban future sales and transfers of centerfire semiautomatic rifles
2) UBCs, national firearms licensing requirement (even for break action shotguns), and attempt to register who has what
3) stop inheritances, part sales, and initiate "buy backs"/confiscations of semiautomatic rifles

They might get (1) and they might get UBCs ... but I think the rest will be hard to pass as well as enforce. Even UBCs for used guns will be hard to enforce. The black market for firearms will grow to be much larger than it is now.

However, I hope that the current Democratic candidates keep talking bans and forced buy backs. A poll question about whether people think that assault rifles should be banned is not the same as trying to get voters support to taking away their semiautomatic guns.

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I dunno. In a quick nutshell, I think they (Dems whenever they have both houses of congress next) will attempt to:

1.) Create their federal registry (aka to dumbasses) a universal background check.
2.) Pass turn 'em in / confiscate / buyback 'laws'.
3.) Watch as compliance rates hover under 5%.
4.) Prioritize the registry based on numbers and types of weapons and whatever other BS red flags laws are in place at the time.
5.) Start the process of attempting to grab.

Until then, they will continue to stuff the powder keg with more threats and anti-constitutional lunacy.

Joe Marino said:

Before the IRS, Social Security, State taxes it would have been impossible to confiscate guns. Lose my military pension, Social Security, health care or turn in my guns....what would you do.

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as an individual, nobody is going to do anything.
We just lose our rights little by little as we have seen.
This guy here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a76JMYH6KvQ
Isn't the only one with those thoughts.
He's just vocal.
He is just one of our many elected officials.
These are the people who make our laws.
While he might not get it today, or tomorrow.
He (or someone like him) can try year after year.
We have to win every time to keep our rights.
They only have to win once to take them.
How often do you see rights gotten back?
People say take it to the courts.
These courts?
https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=237655
Yeah, they'll get it right.
As a group of individuals, there is nothing that can be done to you(the people)
But, "The people" are very much individuals at this point, so "they" can do whatever they want.
Until that would change, it is what it is.

I think that such a bill has zero chance of getting through the senate... but that's today. We need to stay vigilant.

Doctor_M said:

I think that such a bill has zero chance of getting through the senate... but that's today. We need to stay vigilant.

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ehhhh, I bet Murkowski and Collins would probably get on board along with sinema the supposed moderate and manchin.

at that point you only need to peel a few more gop votes.

rockstarr said:

ehhhh, I bet Murkowski and Collins would probably get on board along with sinema the supposed moderate and manchin.

at that point you only need to peel a few more gop votes.

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20 years ago what would you have put the odds of something like that passing?

odds 10 years ago?

odds now?

odds in 5 years?

etc...

It'll pass, only a question of when in the future.

rockstarr said:

ehhhh, I bet Murkowski and Collins would probably get on board along with sinema the supposed moderate and manchin.

at that point you only need to peel a few more gop votes.

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Even if the votes were there in the Senate, McConnell would never allow it up for floor vote. It would get buried, neutered, or poison-pilled (say with national CCW reciprocity) in committee. The Senate was designed as the place for emotionally-driven bills to die.

randomuser said:

20 years ago what would you have put the odds of something like that passing?

odds 10 years ago?

odds now?

odds in 5 years?

etc...

It'll pass, only a question of when in the future.

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27years ago Ruby ridge happened
26 years ago the Brady Bill was passed and Waco happened
25 years ago the assault weapons ban passed

and then (And I'm by no means condone this or think fondly of it)!

24 years ago Timothy McVeigh happened (OKC Bombing) and sighted for his motive all the above. When arrested he was wearing a t shirt "On the back, it had a tree with a picture of three blood droplets and the Thomas Jefferson quote, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." (Wikipedia)

History has a way of repeating itself. If they push the limits of their socialist agenda to far, some of the future mass killer nut jobs will be targeting them and I doubt it'll be with a legally obtained Cali legal featureless AR ugly rifle.

Of coarse for the OKC Bombing the media rightfully laid blame at the perpetrators feet not the scary fertilizer bags or those big scary Yellow Rider trucks. They made no excuses for him as a decorated gulf war vet likely suffering from PTSD.

"McVeigh received several service awards, including the Bronze Star Medal,[1] National Defense Service Medal,[19] Southwest Asia Service Medal,[20] Army Service Ribbon,[20] and the Kuwaiti Liberation Medal.[19]" (Wikipedia)

The government sobered up quickly when they became targets and he was executed in 2001 (pretty damn quick timeline as far as executions go)

I think if you added the 169 soles lost and 600+ injured, $652,000,000 damage in the OKC bombing to the stats for the outcomes of the Brady Bill and first AWB it would show a net negative result.

Mitch was around for all this and I think He's playing upper level Chess in the senate. Slow rolling any discussion until emotions die down. Even if there are some wobbly legged republicans in the senate, it would take the majority of the R's to force Mitch to bring anything to the floor for discussion or vote. I don't see that happening.

I'm optimistic for 2020, that people will vote the right way to keep the McVeigh's at bay.

Actually I think Trump will win Biggley add R's to house and senate.

fidelity said:

Conservatively, there are 15-20 million AR-15, AK-47, SKS, and other similar semiautomatic rifles privately held in the US. This isn't Australia, and it isn't New Zealand. Some people in Congress will talk tough, but even in the worst case scenarios, they can only achieve things incrementally.

1) ban future sales and transfers of centerfire semiautomatic rifles
2) UBCs, national firearms licensing requirement (even for break action shotguns), and attempt to register who has what
3) stop inheritances, part sales, and initiate "buy backs"/confiscations of semiautomatic rifles

They might get (1) and they might get UBCs ... but I think the rest will be hard to pass as well as enforce. Even UBCs for used guns will be hard to enforce. The black market for firearms will grow to be much larger than it is now.

However, I hope that the current Democratic candidates keep talking bans and forced buy backs. A poll question about whether people think that assault rifles should be banned is not the same as trying to get voters support to taking away their semiautomatic guns.

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On Rush this afternoon, he said T45 and WLP spoke today and UBC's are off the table. Let's hope they stay off the table.

adit said:

On Rush this afternoon, he said T45 and WLP spoke today and UBC's are off the table. Let's hope they stay off the table.

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Strangely enough, about an hour ago, Fox News had an article up that said the White House was pushing back on that report.........


Now it’s gone. The only article I can find is that UBCs are off the table.


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daNattyFatty said:

Strangely enough, about an hour ago, Fox News had an article up that said the White House was pushing back on that report.........


Now it’s gone. The only article I can find is that UBCs are off the table.


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That was about another news report that said something incorrect, and were called out by the White House.

T45 was interviewed and said he wants enhanced checks, missing areas, mental institutions.

Found it...

Looks like his sons talked some sense into him. I hope the trump boys get into politics. I like Ivanka but I think she's been pushing him to the other side on some things

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If they call for removal of weapons of war, which pistols are carried by the armed forces?

ironpony said:

If they call for removal of weapons of war, which pistols are carried by the armed forces?

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If they called for the removal of weapons of war, we’d be getting rid of 1911’s, Beretta 92’s, Glocks, Sig Sauer pistols, Mossberg 12GA pumps, Remington 700 bolt action rifles, and so on.



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rbird7282 said:

If they called for the removal of weapons of war, we’d be getting rid of 1911’s, Beretta 92’s, Glocks, Sig Sauer pistols, Mossberg 12GA pumps, Remington 700 bolt action rifles, and so on.



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Incrementialism ... these are the steps

rbird7282 said:

If they called for the removal of weapons of war, we’d be getting rid of 1911’s, Beretta 92’s, Glocks, Sig Sauer pistols, Mossberg 12GA pumps, Remington 700 bolt action rifles, and so on.

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And any Brown Bess musket someone might have hanging over the fireplace.

If the wording of a ban was literally "weapons of war", I guess I'd have to turn in all the rocks and pointy sticks in my yard. Good thing that family heirloom W88 was lost in a tragic boating accident.

TheOriginalMexicanBob said:

I think it's a step-by-step process. The anti-gun people want them all but are generally pragmatic enough to "compromise" and accept less...such as "assault"weapon bans or requiring them to stay at gun clubs as suggested. Then they will continually go for more and more thorough laws to gradually either confiscate or require destruction of privately owned firearms of all kinds. Every time another mass killing take place by someone with a firearm not turned in there will be more calls for further restrictions ultimately leading to eradication of all other than those owned by criminals.

The political left wants us to "compromise" away all of our rights.

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think of it as we give an inch a mile gets pushed for. No one is major way attacking george washington the way they do general lee as its not popular today, but years from now it might be just like how they moved on gay marriage.