Home Defense advice?

alucard0822 said:

A pistol grip shotgun (or non NFA firearm) is probably the most difficult HD weapon to use. Low capacity, hard to reload, hard to aim, can have decent power with slugs or buckshot. Adding a brace can help substantially.
Definitely spend some time at the range with it, look into a class if you can. Hopefully the transfer stuff or refund works out for you

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Blaster229 said:

Denzel Washington approved.

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alucard0822 said:

A pistol grip shotgun (or non NFA firearm) is probably the most difficult HD weapon to use. Low capacity, hard to reload, hard to aim, can have decent power with slugs or buckshot. Adding a brace can help substantially.
Definitely spend some time at the range with it, look into a class if you can. Hopefully the transfer stuff or refund works out for you

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Blaster229 said:

My home defense advice, get a pistol caliber carbine.

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sajidakh said:

Why not just get a rifle caliber carbine?

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RRomig said:

My 300blk and 9mm AR pistols are about the exact same size and weight. I use subsonic in the 300 with a Daniel Defense can and it’s the favorite gun of all the nephews.

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calicojack said:

Agreed, I don't see anything great about these pistol grip 12 gauges. What's wrong with a 18.5" full stock barrel pump?

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Blaster229 said:

Well, first of all they're loud as shit. The family is already scared enough.
Over penetration.
They're bigger and harder to manipulate close quarters, especially for women and children. I'd want every family member having every equal ease of use.
In the same breath, the likelihood of a missed shot from a novice family member won't over penetrate.


A PCC isn't as intimidating and good hollow points are great for hd with no over penetration.
Smaller is just easier for everyone. Your smaller kid with smaller arms can level one.
They can be equipped the same as a rifle with red dot, light, and suppressor.
Virtually zero recoil.
Easier to train with at a typical indoor range where some don't allow rifle calibers.


So say both platforms being equal option wise, tell me why a rifle caliber is better than 9mm for inside a dwelling. And don't say less rounds needed to stop the threat. Because good self defense training says we just don't send 1 round.

If you live by yourself, then use what you want.
My main pet peeve is it's usually a waaaaay under trained dude using the cool AR he built and being typically a lousy shot under stress, missing and killing a child in another room doesn't sit well with me.
So for what that person lacks in training(bad shooting), can be usually alleviated with a pistol caliber round if they miss.

Ask that cop in LA 3 weeks ago if he still wished he used an AR instead of his pistol when he killed that girl shooting inside that store. They say it was a ricochet off the floor, but I believe the trajectory would have been different and that girl may have lived. Or, he would have landed all 3 shots better using a pistol and closing the distance before shooting.

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Blaster229 said:

Well, first of all they're loud as shit. The family is already scared enough.
Over penetration.
They're bigger and harder to manipulate close quarters, especially for women and children. I'd want every family member having every equal ease of use.
In the same breath, the likelihood of a missed shot from a novice family member won't over penetrate.


A PCC isn't as intimidating and good hollow points are great for hd with no over penetration.
Smaller is just easier for everyone. Your smaller kid with smaller arms can level one.
They can be equipped the same as a rifle with red dot, light, and suppressor.
Virtually zero recoil.
Easier to train with at a typical indoor range where some don't allow rifle calibers.


So say both platforms being equal option wise, tell me why a rifle caliber is better than 9mm for inside a dwelling. And don't say less rounds needed to stop the threat. Because good self defense training says we just don't send 1 round.

If you live by yourself, then use what you want.
My main pet peeve is it's usually a waaaaay under trained dude using the cool AR he built and being typically a lousy shot under stress, missing and killing a child in another room doesn't sit well with me.
So for what that person lacks in training(bad shooting), can be usually alleviated with a pistol caliber round if they miss.

Ask that cop in LA 3 weeks ago if he still wished he used an AR instead of his pistol when he killed that girl shooting inside that store. They say it was a ricochet off the floor, but I believe the trajectory would have been different and that girl may have lived. Or, he would have landed all 3 shots better using a pistol and closing the distance before shooting.

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sajidakh said:

-Haven't shot a 9mm rifle that had significantly more recoil impulse than a 5.56. Blowback systems out of a 9mm subgun vs. DI .223 rifles are relatively the same.

-I shot a 115 grain hollowpoint at a refrigerator and out of a p365. Ripped through several cartons of water, fridge door and insultation, 3 layers of drywall, grazed a door frame and found a home in a kleenex hard shell holder. The overpenetration of slow moving relatively heavier pistol rounds through drywalls is WORSE than 5.56 which tends to disintegrate, tumble and deviate heavily as it moves through hard barriers. Put a pistol round this in an even longer barrel. And its even worse.

-have seen B&Ts, stribogs and various AResque PCCs be far more finicky than ARs with different ammo and magazine offerings. The only PCC i Have seen make it through a high round shooting course without any issues was a CZ Scorpion.

-weight i also think is relative inconsequential when a PCC is in the 5-7lb range naked and an AR15 is in the 6-7.5. If someone feels the pound or 2 would make them ineffective they probably aren't choosing a carbine or any long gun as a first choice anywaya

-the volume of our guns argument...eh i mean i wouldnt use a .357 inside the house if it was my choice. But my 1st reason on the list isnt because its louder than other choices. Ive had 240B open up next to me in concrete structures and no ear protection. Never really remember it being a hindrance in communication. Could it.. sure. But again trying to control for every variable is fruitless, especially when you look at what you're given up.

-As for training. If you suck with an AR. You probably also suck with a PCC and vice versa. Dont think one requires less trigger time than the other when it comes to proficiency.

-and my final reason is there is a reason pretty much every PD has moved away from the MP5 and onto the short barreled AR15. It wasnt just for terminal ballistics (which could be reason enough) but external ballistics. 5.56 is "safer" in dynamic environments with both friend and foe over 9mm because small bullet going High speed no like hard barriers. It will penetrate sure. But will lose what makes it highly incapacitory...which for the 5.56 is ONLY speed. Not to mention the tumbling and bullet fragmentation is far higher than low speed high drag.

-I'm not familiar with the LA story. But like I said. There are variables you can never account for. But at any distance you can get full extension of your weapon where it be pistol or rifle, can I see the rifle being less accurate.

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