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Old January 28th, 2019, 05:39 PM #11
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^^ This...
Which do you want a gun that's got no rattle or slide side to side movement and punch
X's all day, or one you can use to make mud pies with, trust me I'm not gonna take the
pin gun, my old Pachmayr and throw it in the mud. Not trying to be smart but makes no
sense, got beat aound 1911's for other things, not a gunsmith but mud in tight fitting
parts is like taking a file to the rails and slide, in the day the AMT Hardballers liked only
one ammo, "ball ammo" nothing less, throw in Lead SWC H&G's, 185JHP, 200JHP, FTF's
slide not going far enuff back to pickup the next round, a few mods and all is fine. YMMV..
Having different springs helps...Wilson mags that's a whole nother story...

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Like I was saying I didn't intentionally expose it to mud. Took a class in real awful, thunderstorm weather but many of the drills were on a pad under cover. But mags hitting the wet dirt was impossible to avoid. Tried cleaning the chunks of mud empty mags would gather as best I could throughout the class but sooner or later specs of wet dirt found their way into the mag, the magwell and then the gun. I would think WW1-2 1911s went under much more austere conditions but the 1911 persists to this day.

Overall I'm ditching the platform as much as I love shooting them.
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Old January 28th, 2019, 06:20 PM #12
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Not trying to beat a dead horse as its been covered before but many super tight fitting match grade 1911s are more vulnerable to a dirty action then some of the "mid grade" guns you will encounter. Its not just 1911s either. Their is a fine line between tolerances tight enough for acceptale accuracy and so tight that minimal "grit" can lock it up tighter than a brick shit house. Ever seen a torture test of an RIA on you tube? Pretty impressive for a beater.
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1911s run the spectrum from a Sgt in a Mudhole to a LTC at Camp Perry.

A 1911 with some battle rattle in not going to be shooting out the 10 ring but it does have man size MOA at it’s effective combat range of 25 yards. The 1911 with battle rattle was the Glock of it’s day in the trenches and foxholes.

Now when you start tuning a 1911 for that LTC at Camp Perry, you know your trading off reliability for accuracy. Tighter the specs, the more finicky she gets

I have 1911s for field work and I have GC NM guns and there is no way in hell that I would carry a NM into battle much less drop it in the dirt and mud. The OP’s DW 1911 was closer to the LTC than a GI Spec for the Sgt

The Glock 17 like its’ Austrian cousin, the Steyr AUG, was designed for battle in the world’s the most demanding, dirty combat environments. You can dunk em’, bury ‘em, dig them up, give them a hose down and start shooting.
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Old January 28th, 2019, 07:47 PM #14
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Also this was the first time I ran my 1911 with gloved hands. If none of you tried this before, especially those of you with hair triggers, I urge you to try. The lack of tactility in the trigger pull makes the light trigger a burden more than a blessing. But the familiarity of the glock trigger remained with or without gloves hands.
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Also this was the first time I ran my 1911 with gloved hands. If none of you tried this before, especially those of you with hair triggers, I urge you to try. The lack of tactility in the trigger pull makes the light trigger a burden more than a blessing. But the familiarity of the glock trigger remained with or without gloves hands.
A 3lb trigger takes a lot of getting use to no matter the platform. Especially if what your use to is a 7lb pull on a striker fired platform. Its all about muscle memory and practice. People hunt with 2lb timneys in their bolt guns in sub zero temps with insulated gloves and still pull off cross the canyon shots with great accuracy. If the glock works better for you then so be it you arent alone in that camp I can assure you but trying to run a match gun in a combat role comes with its own problems.
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A 3lb trigger takes a lot of getting use to no matter the platform. Especially if what your use to is a 7lb pull on a striker fired platform. Its all about muscle memory and practice. People hunt with 2lb timneys in their bolt guns in sub zero temps with insulated gloves and still pull off cross the canyon shots with great accuracy. If the glock works better for you then so be it you arent alone in that camp I can assure you but trying to run a match gun in a combat role comes with its own problems.
Def a learning experience for me. However, not 1 I'm willing to invest in.
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You can likely get away with dropping a GI 1911 in the dirt like an AK and it will shoot fine. Then again it won't hold a candle to a tight accurate gun when you absolutely need to put a hole in something. I shoot my Glocks in competition all the time and about 99% of the time they are reliable (I am lazy when it comes to cleaning). On the otherhand right now the only gun I carry is my Dan Wesson Bobtail Commander in 9mm. I have shot it in competition also using a mix of DW, CMC, and Metalform mags. Metalform because they are 10 rounders for competition, Chip McCormack because they seem to be the new reliability standard (at least in my clubs), and the factory DWs because they work and the only issue I have is sometimes when you drop a full mag the top round may pop out. I can live with that. I use Colt and CMC in my Colt Competition .45. As for triggers you can always run a 1911 faster than a striker fired trigger in the same calibers. In my Glocks I run the triggers so the reset is almost impossible to feel unless the rules don't allow it. I don't need to feel it as I have the trigger discipline to pull it just the amount I need to run it at max speed (since I am competing with others using STIs). I can still run an STI faster but I like the Glock. Most pros I know would carry a DW as personal carry before any other 1911. Since I only have one I just like the way it feels and the way it comes out of my IWB carry holster.
If I get a mag muddy I just stop using it. Until I get enough of them to make cleaning them a rare thing to do on a lousy weather day. Something that happens a lot at Peacemaker.
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You can dunk em’, bury ‘em, dig them up, give them a hose down and start shooting.

That pretty much explains it. There are clearing drills for any firearm exposed to debris.
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Also this was the first time I ran my 1911 with gloved hands. If none of you tried this before, especially those of you with hair triggers, I urge you to try. The lack of tactility in the trigger pull makes the light trigger a burden more than a blessing. But the familiarity of the glock trigger remained with or without gloves hands.
How in the world did you manage to get a gloved finger inside the trigger guard of a Glock? I can barely fit my trigger finger in there without touching the TG as is.
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How in the world did you manage to get a gloved finger inside the trigger guard of a Glock? I can barely fit my trigger finger in there without touching the TG as is.
Skinny gloves?
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