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Old February 16th, 2020, 01:17 PM #21
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Lower weight makes them viable for military use

But they need to be lower cost to be viable for commercial use

If I take 100 rounds to the range it doesn't matter if I can shave 1 pound off the total weight of my bag. But shaving $10 off the cost of the rounds would get my attention

In the field I don't care if they cost MORE. Just make them lighter.

Cheaper AND lighter? They will replace brass entirely within 5 years


Even if itís cheaper and lighter it would never fully replace brass. Polymer isnít reloadable, brass is. Reloaders can make ammo much more accurate than what is commercially available and itís tailored to their gun.


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Turns out I only have one example of polymer case ammunition. Here's pics of it and the head stamp.


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Even if itís cheaper and lighter it would never fully replace brass. Polymer isnít reloadable, brass is. Reloaders can make ammo much more accurate than what is commercially available and itís tailored to their gun.


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On your last, possibly. That said, Sierra is claiming they are getting sub 10fps spread on velocity with the poly cased ammo. Thatís less of a spread than you are probably ever going to get no matter how careful you reload.

Beyond that, very few people reload. I doubt companies like star line are going to just close shop. However, commercial brass cased ammo might become uncommon some day. Or not.
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I don't think reloading is nearly as popular as factory ammo.

Go to any Bass Pro Shop. There are 3 aisles of various factory ammunition and a small corner of one aisle for reloading supplies.

I know reloaders tend to ONLY reload as they get into it and the reloading itself becomes as big of a hobby as shooting. So I'm sure that to a reloader it seems like reloading is a huge thing. You hang out with other reloaders and talk about reloading so it seems like a huge thing but I think reloaders are a small percentage of the overall ammo market.

If I am correct the market will side with cheap over reloadable. Factory ammo will drop in price and reloading costs will go up because brass won't be as mass produced. (Primers and bullets will still be mass produced, just not she'll casings)

There will still be a market for brass because of reloaders because reloaders won't give up reloading and will be happy to spend the money. But the price will go up

I have ZERO stats to back this up. So if you can provide some real data on the number of reloaders vs the number of "new in box" buyers I'dd be interested in seeing it. I am making this up on a hunch and my own observations as someone who doesn't reload
Basing your statements on what you see at BassPro is like saying the gas burner is cold, because the flame is blue.

If you actually take a look at places like Midway, Shyda's, Mid South, Natchez, etc... You would see that there is a lot more reloaders out there than you previously thought. BassPro doesn't care about reloading, and I have seen their reloading section dwindle down to a smaller and smaller selection of items, over the years. Meanwhile, Sportsman's Warehouse has a huge reloading section.
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For 223/5.56 here is a sample of weights
Not including primer
Bullet 55grains
Powder 25 grains
Case 95 grains

So say half the case weight and you get about a 25% reduction



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For 223/5.56 here is a sample of weights
Not including primer
Bullet 55grains
Powder 25 grains
Case 95 grains

So say half the case weight and you get about a 25% reduction



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From what Iíve seen, it is about 1/3rd the case weight for the polymers used vs brass.

So closer to 33% overall cartridge weight reduction.
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Don't forget they are still working on variations of the same weapons firing caseless ammo. Caseless is the Holy Grail for the military. And caseless is green for the tree-huggers.
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