Mt Airy
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First Focal Plane scope?
Who shoots a first focal plane scope ? What are your likes and dislikes?
Who shoots a first focal plane scope ? What are your likes and dislikes?
First Focal Plane svope ?
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I only shoot FFP and fixed-magnification optics, and have no particular regrets.
IMHO, the only downside to FFP is that if you're shooting at 1x and trying to use it like a red dot, you really need something with _good_ illumination, like a Burris XTR II DFP scope. The < $600 scopes don't really cut it for that usage. If you can't swing that, you may be better off with the larger reticle of a SFP scope.
IMHO, the only downside to FFP is that if you're shooting at 1x and trying to use it like a red dot, you really need something with _good_ illumination, like a Burris XTR II DFP scope. The < $600 scopes don't really cut it for that usage. If you can't swing that, you may be better off with the larger reticle of a SFP scope.
Mt Airy
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I am looking at the vortex PST gen II 5x 25
Mt Airy
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I have that scope in second focal plane and I wanted to see the difference. So I ordered it today it is back ordered and I should have it after thanksgiving.
1time
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Since 25x is too much magnification to use most of the time, FFP is much better if you hold over at all. If you are dialing everything it won’t make much difference. Either way, they are both great scopes. I have the 5-25 on a Ruger Precision , a 3-15 on a JP 308, and another 3-15 on a Kidd Supergrade. All are FFP and I couldn’t be happier with them.
If there is any chance you will ever shoot precision style matches, get the FFP. I never expected to shoot matches and spent money on a really clear SFP scope, figuring I would never use hold overs. I started shooting some precision matches and now the scope sits in the safe as for most matches, you will need to hold over at some point.
Mt Airy
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Thank you
When I ordered the first one I put it on a 308 bolt rifle second focal plane the first plane was back ordered.
I oredered a first plane scope today and it was back oredered again, I will wait this time . It will go on a 223 blot fifle.
- May 5, 2010
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I've used both. Never made a huge difference to me. Ranging targets doesn't matter a whole lot, it's not an accurate estimation either way. Good to know though I guess.
I prefer fixed power scopes for long range, especially SWFA scopes.
I prefer fixed power scopes for long range, especially SWFA scopes.
- Feb 4, 2013
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I dial elevation but hold for wind, so I like an FFP.
I am considering upgrading my Viper PST Gen 1 to a Gen 2.
I am considering upgrading my Viper PST Gen 1 to a Gen 2.
You may want to look at the Vortex Diamondback Tactical if illuminated reticle is not needed and on a budget.
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The Gen II is completely different than the Gen I, and a huge improvement. The zero stop is great, the lower profile turrets are nice and the elevation per rotation is much better. I also like the reticle options better in the Gen II. I have a HST and PST Gen I, the only problem is that it seems like no one wants them anymore or they will only pay $500 for them. I have two Gen IIs in SFP, The only advantage of the FFP for me is when I have to alternate shots between two distances. I can use the hold overs at any mag and they will be consistent. With the SFP unless I'm on 25X power I will have to dial up and down, losing time in the process. The reticle in the Gen II SFP has a fairly fine crosshair which is good. At 5X the reticle isn't really useable.
Paying > $500 for a scope not made in Japan, the USA, Germany, or the Czech Republic doesn't make sense to me. Like... you've got plenty of options out there with excellent lifetime warranties, I don't know why people are always fawning over Vortex's Phillipines-made scopes at the price level they're at.
What scope would you buy for around $1000 that has all the same features and has a full lifetime warranty? Just curious, and not all the Vortex scopes are made in the Philippines.
Burris XTR II series comes to mind right away. I understand that not all of Vortex's optics are made in the Phillipines, but the Viper PST Gen2 scopes certainly are.
Mt Airy
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I took a Leupold off the rifle to put a vortex. For the money not much comes close. Nightforce is way more Schmit and Bender is way more.
Do you own a vortex ? Or have shoot one 50+ rounds ?
Do you own a vortex ? Or have shoot one 50+ rounds ?
Mt Airy
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The only thing Burris that I Have is a little red dot fast fire III it is nice I have never really shot there scopes.
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Mt Airy
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I just looked them up. Did you know that they are a 1/8 moa scope if I read it right.
The scope clicks are 1/4 MOA or 1/10 mil depending on which reticle you've got. It's really a very nice scope for the money.
Here's another website that may prove informative:
http://opticsthoughts.com/
What advantages does the Burris have over the Vortex? The biggest thing I see is the 34mm main tube/elevation travel. The 58mm objective bell is kind of large. Does the XTR II have a zero stop? I use my PST Gen II for .22 shooting and being able to focus down to 25yds is a bonus over the 50yds on the Burris. How does the glass compare? I think the PST glass is pretty good, not great in low light but useable.
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