j_h_smith
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- Jul 28, 2007
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For the simplicity it's gotta be NH.
Non-Resident State CCW Choice
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Biggfoot44
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- Aug 2, 2009
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Yep, read the thread, and just now the linked latest application. And I've had several NH permits in the past, both using a home state Permit and a NR Permit in the respective eras.
The court case got rid of the *home* state requirement. Eliminating*any* other permit would require seperate action.
The court case got rid of the *home* state requirement. Eliminating*any* other permit would require seperate action.
Do you want to carry in FL? If so you must have a FL permit, as they don't recognize NR permits from any state.
Having a FL permit won't get you PA, so it's a matter of where you intend to go.
Here's the NH thread. No more home state license required. The Court ruled that the statute did not require a home state permit,. so it cannot be required by the SP.
https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=194472&highlight=hampshire
Having a FL permit won't get you PA, so it's a matter of where you intend to go.
Here's the NH thread. No more home state license required. The Court ruled that the statute did not require a home state permit,. so it cannot be required by the SP.
https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=194472&highlight=hampshire
Nottherealfranco
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- Sep 24, 2014
- 198
Can someone explain to me why the NH non-resident permit allows for carry in PA? I understand the reciprocity, however all the language i'm seeing does not specify "non-resident" permits, only (1) " New Hampshire permits" and (3) "valid license/permit holders from respective states" : https://www.attorneygeneral.gov/upl...l/FirearmsReciprocity/Signed_NH_Agreement.pdf
On PA's website, it states the following:
Note that to lawfully carry a concealed firearm in Pennsylvania, a person must either:
1 - possess a valid Pennsylvania License to Carry Firearms,
2 - maintain residency in, and possess a valid license/permit to carry a firearm from a state with which Pennsylvania has a current reciprocity agreement or
3 - fall within the applicable exceptions in 18 Pa. C.S. §6106(2)(b) as listed above, including §6106(2)(b)(15) regarding licenses/permits to carry a firearm recognized under Pennsylvania law without a formal reciprocity agreement.
The second point is my concern- It states residency AND valid license of reciprocity, which would imply that non-resident permits of reciprocal states would be a no-go.
https://www.psp.pa.gov/firearms-information/Pages/Carrying-Firearms-in-Pennsylvania.aspx
Am i missing something here? I'd love to CC in PA, but everything i've read has made it seem like it's a no-go for MD'ers.
On PA's website, it states the following:
Note that to lawfully carry a concealed firearm in Pennsylvania, a person must either:
1 - possess a valid Pennsylvania License to Carry Firearms,
2 - maintain residency in, and possess a valid license/permit to carry a firearm from a state with which Pennsylvania has a current reciprocity agreement or
3 - fall within the applicable exceptions in 18 Pa. C.S. §6106(2)(b) as listed above, including §6106(2)(b)(15) regarding licenses/permits to carry a firearm recognized under Pennsylvania law without a formal reciprocity agreement.
The second point is my concern- It states residency AND valid license of reciprocity, which would imply that non-resident permits of reciprocal states would be a no-go.
https://www.psp.pa.gov/firearms-information/Pages/Carrying-Firearms-in-Pennsylvania.aspx
Am i missing something here? I'd love to CC in PA, but everything i've read has made it seem like it's a no-go for MD'ers.
gamer_jim
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Nottherealfranco
MD Escapee
- Sep 24, 2014
- 198
True, but the NH/ PA agreement also states:
"This reciprocity agreement applies only to the carrying of firearms by valid license/ permit holders from respective states and not to any other types of weapons"
The way this sentence is structures indicates that "license/ permit" is an adjective, describing "holders" as the noun. "from respective states" doesn't apply to the "license/permit", it applies to the holder. Therefore, a non-resident holder of an approved license would not be covered under this agreement because they are not "from [the] respective states".
buellsfurn
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I'm not an English major, so I can't pick apart the wording. Suffice to say if you call the PA AG office and ask they will tell you they honor all NH permits, period.
This is from the statute:
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Nottherealfranco
MD Escapee
- Sep 24, 2014
- 198
Do you know if they have a press release or some sort of addendum stating as such? The language of the law gives me the impression one must be a resident of the state for reciprocity to apply.
Edit:
Per PA statue 6109:
6109(k) refers to the reciprocity agreement:
) Reciprocity.--
(1) The Attorney General shall have the power and duty to enter into reciprocity agreements with other states providing for the mutual recognition of a license to carry a firearm issued by the Commonwealth and a license or permit to carry a firearm issued by the other state. To carry out this duty, the Attorney General is authorized to negotiate reciprocity agreements and grant recognition of a license or permit to carry a firearm issued by another state.
(2) The Attorney General shall report to the General Assembly within 180 days of the effective date of this paragraph and annually thereafter concerning the agreements which have been consummated under this subsection.
Section k's main point is to grant the authority of negotiating and agreeing upon a reciprocity agreement with the other state. The key word is negotiate here. From this statue you'd go to the reciprocity agreement, which then brings us back to the previous issue of "holders" being the noun of section 3, not permits/license. If "holders" is the noun, then the reciprocity agreement would only apply to permit holders from either PA or NH holding their respective state's CC permit.
Calling the AG office and them saying they honor all permits isn't something i'd rely on unless there's formal documentation backing it up. We all know calling the MSP about banned or not banned weapons can result in, and I don't think i'd trust a statement from someone at the PA AG unless it was written, signed, and notarized
no idea. the language in the respective agreements is sufficient for most of us. it plainly states they honor a NH permit with no regards to residency. If it's not prohibited, it's allowed. that's how laws are written.
but if you don't think it's legal, don't carry there.
but if you don't think it's legal, don't carry there.
Biggfoot44
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- Aug 2, 2009
- 33,108
The NH vs Pa situation seems confusing, you have to dig deep into the timeline and Pa politics for it to make sense.
Even though the real motives of of the Bloomberg back rogue AG were " guns are bad, m'kay" , the nominal source of outrage was the idea of " OMG, people that Pa authorities turned down for a LTC are carrying guns using FLA Permits ! "
While most of us think of Pa LTC issuence as walking into Sheriff's office, and recieving a LTC in. Matter of days, occasionally same day, it isn't uniform. Crtian jurisdictions, noticeably Phila PD make up a laundry list of additional requirements beyond and contrary to state law. In addition to the hassle and expense, Phila PD makes frequent use of declaring applicants as " person not suitable" for reasons literally including " I don't like the way you look" and "I don't like your haircut" . When the rogue AG is on their side, it is very difficult to bring them to task.
AG Kane used this as justification to go on witch hunt against reciprosity. For reciprosity agreements that were made by previous AG's , she can do this unilaterally. For those reciprosity agreements done statutorily before the responsibility was given to the AG, it's harder for her, and she had to do AG to AG arm twisting.
Utah caved by adding the language about applicants from States that recognize UT Permits must have home. State Permit. NH caved by reverting to previous language that NR applicants must have home state Permit ( NH has gone back and forth on this over the decades ).
NH gun rights activists sued over this. By the time it was ruled in our favor, AG Kane has already been brought down by her indictment, and no one else in Pa is pushing the issue.
NH reciprosity is a lucky convergence if timing.
TX reciprosity is probably due to TX's requirement for NR applicants to physically travel to TX keeping the number of Phila residents doing so low enough, that it wasn't a high priority to Kane to try to stamp out.
Even though the real motives of of the Bloomberg back rogue AG were " guns are bad, m'kay" , the nominal source of outrage was the idea of " OMG, people that Pa authorities turned down for a LTC are carrying guns using FLA Permits ! "
While most of us think of Pa LTC issuence as walking into Sheriff's office, and recieving a LTC in. Matter of days, occasionally same day, it isn't uniform. Crtian jurisdictions, noticeably Phila PD make up a laundry list of additional requirements beyond and contrary to state law. In addition to the hassle and expense, Phila PD makes frequent use of declaring applicants as " person not suitable" for reasons literally including " I don't like the way you look" and "I don't like your haircut" . When the rogue AG is on their side, it is very difficult to bring them to task.
AG Kane used this as justification to go on witch hunt against reciprosity. For reciprosity agreements that were made by previous AG's , she can do this unilaterally. For those reciprosity agreements done statutorily before the responsibility was given to the AG, it's harder for her, and she had to do AG to AG arm twisting.
Utah caved by adding the language about applicants from States that recognize UT Permits must have home. State Permit. NH caved by reverting to previous language that NR applicants must have home state Permit ( NH has gone back and forth on this over the decades ).
NH gun rights activists sued over this. By the time it was ruled in our favor, AG Kane has already been brought down by her indictment, and no one else in Pa is pushing the issue.
NH reciprosity is a lucky convergence if timing.
TX reciprosity is probably due to TX's requirement for NR applicants to physically travel to TX keeping the number of Phila residents doing so low enough, that it wasn't a high priority to Kane to try to stamp out.
As has been posted, NH recently got sued and now you do not need your home state (or any) permit.
No, I do not have a Maryland permit. I do have a small bottle of Unicorn tears. And a henway.
chesapeakeIRON
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Thanks, yeah a few guys posted the links, NH was sued which was the piece I was missing earlier
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and FTW what's a Henway?
about 4-6 pounds.
Link still shows the home state permit requirement. For those who have it, did your application also have this and if it did, did you just put N/A for where it asks for it?
The link was a PDF to the 'new' application. I was just trying to figure out if that was in fact the new application with the old requirements or if there in fact was a new one. Did you put N/A on yours without issue or just saying that based on the note from their website?
i put N/A on mine.
had my permit in 29 days
they did not change the pdf.
had my permit in 29 days
they did not change the pdf.
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