Self Defense at Friendship Heights Metro

slybarman · Jul 25, 2018

I'm curious how he got in a locked booth.

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44man · Jul 25, 2018

Nnztg8r said:
Unwanted touching...y’all dont like that BUT the state and counties reach into your pocket early and often. They’ve also managed to strip most of you of the dignity and righteousness of self protection. That’s pretty egregious imo.

Putting your hands on someone else who doesn’t want or expect it is bad. Putting your hands on them in an aggressive or violent manner is unsat and frankly deserving of appropriate response. What is appropriate you ask. Well, I’m thinking you invite an ass kicking at a minimum and maybe a profound beating if appropriate. Self defense is a continuum thing. Unlike police, citizens (in free states in America anyhow) can move up the use of force continuum as quickly as they feel compelled. That’s for a jury to decide.

Jumping from push or shove to gunplay might just be too much escalation if at once.

What’s enough force? Enough to stop the threat.

Only dumbasses lay hands on other folks. Don’t be a dumbass. Karma trolls dumbasses. Results are not often pretty.

Cause. Effect. Behavior modification.

if the victim truly believes he, or she, is in danger and or their life is being threatened lethal force should always be the goal. stopping short only to get beaten down or even killed when an assailant gets his second wind is a bad plan.

IMO of course

JohnnyE · Jul 25, 2018

swinokur said:
I was eating in Moonies BBQ outside Buford GA last night. Every person working in there was packing openly.

No one even noticed.

America is an amazing place.

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You did.

willtill · Jul 25, 2018

slybarman said:
I'm curious how he got in a locked booth.

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I'm wondering WHY he decided to get INTO the locked booth.

What was the real catalyst to this escalated attack?

Was the Metro employee enumerating the typical "screw you, I don't care" look and body language, as is all too often seen with public transit workers?

I had to laugh the other day. I pulled up to a MTA (Moving Thugs Around) bus and in very large signage at the bus door, was a warning posted that "assaulting a bus driver is a 10 year prison term"; or words to that effect.

What about the rest of us...? :rolleyes:

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slybarman · Jul 25, 2018

willtill said:
I'm wondering WHY he decided to get INTO the locked booth.

What was the real catalyst to this escalated attack?

Was the Metro employee enumerating the typical "screw you, I don't care" look and body language, as is all too often seen with public transit workers?

I had to laugh the other day. I pulled up to a MTA (Moving Thugs Around) bus and in very large signage at the bus door, was a warning posted that "assaulting a bus driver is a 10 year prison term"; or words to that effect.

What about the rest of us...?

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I guess im wondering if she opened the door to have a confrontation that went badly.

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Occam · Jul 25, 2018

slybarman said:
I guess im wondering if she opened the door to have a confrontation that went badly.

Regardless, I'm going to guess that however he got into her personal space (kiosk not withstanding), she probably wasn't the one who started the physical conflict. Of course it's possible, but very unlikely.

zoostation · Jul 25, 2018

Let's keep the butthurt over the Florida incident debate in that thread and just keep to the incident at hand here. Please. Thanks.

Alan3413 · Jul 25, 2018

Never mind.

rseymorejr · Jul 25, 2018

Nnztg8r said:
No longer the FREE STATE

Maryland...a victim’s paradise.

victimizer's paradise

JohnnyE · Jul 25, 2018

slybarman said:
I guess im wondering if she opened the door to have a confrontation that went badly.

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IIRC, the door to the kiosk is on the "inside" of the Metro station, the side you access after you use your Smart Trip card and pass through the turnstyle and enter the system. There is an intercom that allows a manager in the kiosk to talk with someone "outside" of the system, but there is no intercom to speak with someone who is already inside the system. The only way to have a conversation with someone in the system is for the manager to open the door.

Someone set me straight if I mess this up.

BeoBill · Jul 25, 2018

It's been a while, but I think there are vents on the "fare paid" side of the armored closet Metro calls a kiosk. Still, I also have to wonder how he got in.

GTOGUNNER · Jul 25, 2018

Intercom is on both sides of the kiosk. They also suck as they are not bidirectional. What ever the word is for being able to talk at the same time. Easier to open the door.

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Mr. Ed · Jul 25, 2018

GTOGUNNER said:
Intercom is on both sides of the kiosk. They also suck as they are not bidirectional. What ever the word is for being able to talk at the same time. Easier to open the door.

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I think it's called full duplex.

GTOGUNNER · Jul 25, 2018

Yea. It was on the tip of my ring finger....

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swinokur · Jul 26, 2018

JohnnyE said:
You did.

Because I am from Marylandistan and seeing Americans being free is not something I get to see everyday

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JohnnyE · Jul 26, 2018

GTOGUNNER said:
Intercom is on both sides of the kiosk. They also suck as they are not bidirectional. What ever the word is for being able to talk at the same time. Easier to open the door.

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Thanks for setting me straight.

TexDefender · Jul 26, 2018

Nnztg8r said:
What’s enough force? Enough to stop the threat.

Exactly! Tell the jury you responded to a threat and you felt your life was in such danger that it would result in death or seriously bodily harm. Therefore you responded as trained, and placed two shots center of mass of the target and keep repeating until no threat remained.

rascal · Jul 26, 2018

mpdc4511 said:
An active investigation so you don’t make conclusive statements

Agreed. We don't know the facts.
What might be helpful to some of the other commentators is the case law and code in DC which in terms of self defense law is considered in the intermediate between of stand your ground and full duty to retreat.

We got this with my DC CCL training (actual jury instruction on on page 3):
https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/f...s/District Law Pertaining to Self Defense.pdf

GTOGUNNER · Jul 26, 2018

What is deadly force? A gun, probably, a knife not so much?

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rpker · Jul 26, 2018

GTOGUNNER said:
What is deadly force? A gun, probably, a knife not so much?

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DC law states it is not allowable to carry a knife IF you intend to use it as a weapon. Other than that most knives are legal with the exception of balisongs and switchblades.

It will probably be up to the jury as to how said knife is classified...i.e. As a "dangerous weapon" or just a pocket knife. Hopefully the citizens of DC can come to the conclusion that a person should be able to use anything at their disposal to defend themselves if they believe their life is in danger.

Better to be judged by by twelve than carried by six....

Applicable DC code: D.C. Code § 22-4504 (2012)

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