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jhason · Feb 6, 2017

For Montgomery County residents that have gone through the process of submitting a Form 1 who signed off on it? Chief Thomas Manger? I'm temped to call the 311 call center but the probability of them knowing the answer is low.

swinokur · Feb 6, 2017

Nope MSP in Pikesville

rbird7282 · Feb 6, 2017

Don't need it now anyways

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swinokur · Feb 6, 2017

that's right

41F

Hawkeye · Feb 6, 2017

jhason said:
For Montgomery County residents that have gone through the process of submitting a Form 1 who signed off on it? Chief Thomas Manger? I'm temped to call the 311 call center but the probability of them knowing the answer is low.

You no longer have to get anyone to sign off on any NFA forms. After rule 41F went in to effect in July, all that is required is notification of the CLEO for your area.

Basically, you send a separate copy of your paperwork to your CLEO and that's it. They can bin it or do whatever they want to with it afterword.

Many people in MD just send it to MSP in Pikesville, but you could theoretically send it to your local or county police department, etc.

outrider58 · Feb 6, 2017

Anyone have a link to the notification form to send off to MSP?

swinokur · Feb 6, 2017

I sent a copy of my FFL03 to Chief Manger at MO CO police. That would work for CLEO in Mo Co.

Hawkeye · Feb 6, 2017

outrider58 said:
Anyone have a link to the notification form to send off to MSP?

If you look at the latest F1 / F4, it includes a copy that you send to the CLEO.

https://www.atf.gov/file/11281/download

Apparently you can redact a ton of stuff and still have it be fine, but I haven't looked that closely at it yet.

jhason · Feb 6, 2017

Thanks for you feedback! I just order the paper Form 1's and some other documents (https://www.atf.gov/distribution-center-order-form) from ATF's site.

I haven't seen these forms yet but if there is a section in the form that asks for the signature of the CLEO or their designee as shown here (http://www.titleii.com/pdf/010205-Form1.pdf) should I write NA due to 41F? Or, just leave it blank? I just don't want to form to get kicked out of the queue and sent back.

outrider58 · Feb 6, 2017

Hawkeye said:
If you look at the latest F1 / F4, it includes a copy that you send to the CLEO.

https://www.atf.gov/file/11281/download

Apparently you can redact a ton of stuff and still have it be fine, but I haven't looked that closely at it yet.

Thanks for the reply.

Hawkeye · Feb 6, 2017

jhason said:
Thanks for you feedback! I just order the paper Form 1's and some other documents (https://www.atf.gov/distribution-center-order-form) from ATF's site.

Sure thing. You can also print them from the link I provided.

I haven't seen these forms yet but if there is a section in the form that asks for the signature of the CLEO or their designee as shown here (http://www.titleii.com/pdf/010205-Form1.pdf) should I write NA due to 41F? Or, just leave it blank? I just don't want to form to get kicked out of the queue and sent back.

That is an OLD version of the form and you should not use it or you will be rejected by ATF. Notice it is dated 2007.

The newest version of the form, that I linked to above, is different to reflect the changes in 41F. Whenever you're going to submit an F1 or F4, it's always a good idea to go to ATF's site to see what the most recent version is. If you ordered them from ATF on paper the ones you will get will be the most recent version and will be different than the link in your post. That site is out of date.

jhason · Feb 7, 2017

It would be great replace the ATF FORM 1 link on this stickie. With the new link from ATF's site. https://www.atf.gov/file/11281/download

Hawkeye · Feb 7, 2017

jhason said:
It would be great replace the ATF FORM 1 link on this stickie. With the new link from ATF's site. https://www.atf.gov/file/11281/download

I'll ask the forum administration about doing that. I don't think the OP of that thread posts here any longer.

ant92083 · Dec 3, 2017

Thank you for this FAQ, I've got the paperwork filled out and need to get photos and fingerprints done. Photos I can get done at a local CVS can anyone recommend a place to get fingerprints done. I'm located in Pasadena, MD.

SW6906user · May 22, 2018

Quick question

Probably asked, but never the less my Form 1 was approved for my SBS back in April 2017 and I finally got a barrel. When my Form 1 was submitted, for serial number I used the serial number on the receiver. Do I still have to get the receiver engraved with our family name?

outrider58 · May 22, 2018

SW6906user said:
Probably asked, but never the less my Form 1 was approved for my SBS back in April 2017 and I finally got a barrel. When my Form 1 was submitted, for serial number I used the serial number on the receiver. Do I still have to get the receiver engraved with our family name?

If by "family name" you mean trust name, yes.

There has been a lot of debate as to whether the engraving is law or not, but AFAIK, it is required that whenever you "make" an NFA item, the maker's name(trust name) and city of origin is required.

SW6906user · May 22, 2018

Thanks Outrider :thumbsup:

Hawkeye · May 22, 2018

outrider58 said:
If by "family name" you mean trust name, yes.

There has been a lot of debate as to whether the engraving is law or not, but AFAIK, it is required that whenever you "make" an NFA item, the maker's name(trust name) and city of origin is required.

Yup.

And make sure that when you get the engraving done, that it reads exactly like whatever you put in box 3b of the Form 1. If that box says "Beavis Family NFA Trust" then you have to engrave "Beavis Family NFA Trust" on the receiver, not "Beavis Family," or "Thomas P. Beavis" or anything else.

SW6906user · May 22, 2018

Hawkeye said:
Yup.

And make sure that when you get the engraving done, that it reads exactly like whatever you put in box 3b of the Form 1. If that box says "Beavis Family NFA Trust" then you have to engrave "Beavis Family NFA Trust" on the receiver, not "Beavis Family," or "Thomas P. Beavis" or anything else.

Thanks for the tip Hawkeye, now I am wishing that I named my trust something different than my last name.

outrider58 · May 22, 2018

Hawkeye said:
Yup.

And make sure that when you get the engraving done, that it reads exactly like whatever you put in box 3b of the Form 1. If that box says "Beavis Family NFA Trust" then you have to engrave "Beavis Family NFA Trust" on the receiver, not "Beavis Family," or "Thomas P. Beavis" or anything else.

SW6906user said:
Thanks for the tip Hawkeye, now I am wishing that I named my trust something different than my last name.

Definitely. Dot all your Ts and cross all your Is.

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