VA bill to shut down non state owned ranges.

Sgt. Psycho · Jan 7, 2020

From the article:

"If it wasn’t bad enough watching the action unfold surrounding unconstitutional gun laws and the militias being formed to fight against them, now it seems like Virginia is trying to pull yet another move.

They want to shut down every gun range in the state that isn’t owned by the government.

According to House Bill 567, any indoor shooting range would be prohibited by law – UNLESS it was inside of a building owned by the state.

And any business owners who decided to defy the law could be facing up to a $100,000 fine and potential civil penalties."

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com...t-down-all-gun-ranges-not-owned-by-the-state/

BlueHeeler · Jan 7, 2020

That is not an accurate article. Here is the actual bill:

§ 18.2-511.2. said:
Indoor shooting ranges; prohibited in private buildings; exceptions; penalty.

A. As used in this section, "indoor shooting range" means any fully enclosed or indoor area or facility designed for the use of rifles, shotguns, pistols, silhouettes, skeet, trap, or black powder or any other similar sport shooting.

B. It is unlawful to operate an indoor shooting range in any building not owned or leased by the Commonwealth or the federal government unless (i) fewer than 50 employees work in the building or (ii) (a) at least 90 percent of the users of the indoor shooting range are law-enforcement officers, as defined in § 9.1-101, or federal law-enforcement officers, (b) the indoor shooting range maintains a log of each user's name, phone number, address, and the law-enforcement agency where such user is employed, and (c) the indoor shooting range verifies each user's identity and address by requiring all users to present a government-issued photo-identification card.

C. Any person that violates the provisions of this section is subject to a civil penalty of not less than $1,000 nor more than $100,000 for the initial violation and $5,000 per day for each day of violation thereafter.

Many ranges will be exempt from this bill, EXCEPT the NRA range which this bill seems to be maliciously targeting. It is still a garbage bill, but we need at least understand the facts before attacking it.

photoracer · Jan 7, 2020

Easy way to get around that is to sell the range to a private entity. That would get the range down below the 50 employee limit.

kshaw · Jan 7, 2020

I suspect that the State of Virginia will regret this action. You know that this will result in legal action by NRA and I can see Trump getting involved with this just like prior federal actions in support of Civil Rights. I would love to see a DOJ lawsuit against the state to enforce the 2nd Amendment.

ted76 · Jan 7, 2020

This bill is clearly targeting the NRA, as there is probably not another no .gov range in the whole state, in a building with 50 employees.

MDGolom · Jan 7, 2020

ted76 said:
This bill is clearly targeting the NRA, as there is probably not another no .gov range in the whole state, in a building with 50 employees.

I'll agree it's an FU to the NRA, but thinking arout ranges, it might affect more than you think. If a range is in a strip mall of 10 stores, each store would only need 5 employees each to hit the limit. Do they consider the building only the part occupied by the range or the whole structure?

GTOGUNNER · Jan 7, 2020

I think we should support the bill. The NRA will tear them a new one..

StanW · Jan 7, 2020

photoracer said:
Easy way to get around that is to sell the range to a private entity. That would get the range down below the 50 employee limit.

Not 50 employees of the range, 50 employees in the building regardless of whom they work for.

PharaohF4 · Jan 7, 2020

photoracer said:
Easy way to get around that is to sell the range to a private entity. That would get the range down below the 50 employee limit.

ah NO. We dont need to find more loop holes, we need to help free people of VA stop these bills and hopefully vote them out of office. make them twice about attacking a natural right guaranteed by the constitutional .

WeaponsCollector · Jan 7, 2020

Bloomturd trying to get his paid Virginia demotard minions to attack the NRA headquarters shooting range along with our 2nd amendment.

Skipjacks · Jan 7, 2020

StanW said:
Not 50 employees of the range, 50 employees in the building regardless of whom they work for.

This.

So if the range is in one small corner of a larger building, the employees of the range AND of all the businesses also in the connected structure count towards the 50

Think of Continental Arms in Timonium MD. They probably have 25 employees. And in the same building is a flooring store, a comedy club, and a post office which easily add up to another 100 employees.

Same thing with Freedom in White Marsh MD. It's one store in a larger structure. I think most of the building is unoccupied, but it won't be forever.

These are just bad laws that Virginians need to stop because if they don't...Maryland will be tripping over itself to make the same dumb decisions. Right now Maryland lawmakers are waiting to see if this goes well for gun grabbers in Virginia, I guarantee it.

brownspotz · Jan 7, 2020

Welcome to Marylandistan 2.0...

traveller · Jan 7, 2020

Constitution of the United States

Article I, Section 9, Clause 3

No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, nor any law impairing the obligation of contracts, shall ever be passed, and no conviction shall work corruption of blood or forfeiture of estate.

If this can be shown as geared towards the NRA range and doesn't affect any other range in the state, it'll get slapped down pretty quickly.

BeoBill · Jan 7, 2020

traveller said:
Constitution of the United States

Article I, Section 9, Clause 3

No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, nor any law impairing the obligation of contracts, shall ever be passed, and no conviction shall work corruption of blood or forfeiture of estate.

If this can be shown as geared towards the NRA range and doesn't affect any other range in the state, it'll get slapped down pretty quickly.

Pretty quickly = YEARS...

traveller · Jan 7, 2020

BeoBill said:
Pretty quickly = YEARS...

As in 'first judge who gets it on his desk'.

rico903 · Jan 8, 2020

Haven't lived or been to VA in years. Are all the liquor stores still state owned? That was a nightmare for most people, especially if you worked in the restaurant business. No deliveries and you had to take whatever they gave you. Ex. we need a case of Seagrams Seven , well we only have some other BS liquor, want it or not? Much like Montgomery County today, and corrupt as hell just like Mont County.

Redd Byrd · Jan 8, 2020

brownspotz said:
Welcome to Marylandistan 2.0...

also known as: The Peoples Democratic Republik of Marylandistan

f1racecar · Jan 8, 2020

The NRA range is part of the parking garage not the main building. Hopefully, it should be exempt from the law as currently written.

DubTap21 · Jan 8, 2020

Virginia is going to be the spark that lights the fire.

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davsco · Jan 8, 2020

f1racecar said:
The NRA range is part of the parking garage not the main building. Hopefully, it should be exempt from the law as currently written.

silly boy, then they'll just change the law until it does apply...

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