What is your breaking point for a Revolution?

rog951 · May 2, 2018

This question has crossed my mind a lot the last couple years. If Hillary had won and continued the socialist assault as expected, I think we might be getting close to a breaking point of some kind. 1A and 2A are the keys, and both are under attack like crazy. Since 2A is really the ultimate protector of everything else, I feel like a gov't rep at my door asking for my guns would be the big tester. How many of us would really fail to comply? I think it's something we won't really know until the day comes. I pray we'd have the guts in numbers enough to keep our country.

CrazySanMan · May 2, 2018

rog951 said:
This question has crossed my mind a lot the last couple years. If Hillary had won and continued the socialist assault as expected, I think we might be getting close to a breaking point of some kind. 1A and 2A are the keys, and both are under attack like crazy. Since 2A is really the ultimate protector of everything else, I feel like a gov't rep at my door asking for my guns would be the big tester. How many of us would really fail to comply? I think it's something we won't really know until the day comes. I pray we'd have the guts in numbers enough to keep our country.

My guns will be buried under Rocky Mountain soil before that day comes. The day after that day I will dig them up and join my other patriot brothers and sisters in refreshing the tree of liberty.

Mr. Ed · May 2, 2018

If anything 'breaks' I don't think it will be folks on our side who start anything (Americans who honor and respect our Constitution and family values). Of course, it'll be Trump's fault.

If something happens to the internet and folks who depend on government assistance can't get their freebies, that might light a fuse. Those of us who are at least somewhat prepared will be put in a position of defending ourselves, and then the media will portray US as the bad guys, NOT the folks who are trying to steal our stuff. I have not seen a single possible scenario where we, and the country, are better off afterwards.

Our country (and world) is overpopulated, and getting worse every day (think geometric progression). I think the only long term solution (which I'm not necessarily suggesting is a good idea) is for a world-wide pandemic to quickly reduce the world's fertility rate by two thirds or more. A virus that causes sterility in most of the world's population would be a painless way to accomplish this.

Alea Jacta Est · May 2, 2018

Mr. Ed said:
If anything 'breaks' I don't think it will be folks on our side who start anything (Americans who honor and respect our Constitution and family values). Of course, it'll be Trump's fault.

If something happens to the internet and folks who depend on government assistance can't get their freebies, that might light a fuse. Those of us who are at least somewhat prepared will be put in a position of defending ourselves, and then the media will portray US as the bad guys, NOT the folks who are trying to steal our stuff. I have not seen a single possible scenario where we, and the country, are better off afterwards.

Our country (and world) is overpopulated, and getting worse every day (think geometric progression). I think the only long term solution (which I'm not necessarily suggesting is a good idea) is for a world-wide pandemic to quickly reduce the world's fertility rate by two thirds or more. A virus that causes sterility in most of the world's population would be a painless way to accomplish this.

Cmon Tide Pod challenge!!!

Semper Noctem · May 2, 2018

Mr. Ed said:
If anything 'breaks' I don't think it will be folks on our side who start anything (Americans who honor and respect our Constitution and family values). Of course, it'll be Trump's fault.

If something happens to the internet and folks who depend on government assistance can't get their freebies, that might light a fuse. Those of us who are at least somewhat prepared will be put in a position of defending ourselves, and then the media will portray US as the bad guys, NOT the folks who are trying to steal our stuff. I have not seen a single possible scenario where we, and the country, are better off afterwards.

Our country (and world) is overpopulated, and getting worse every day (think geometric progression). I think the only long term solution (which I'm not necessarily suggesting is a good idea) is for a world-wide pandemic to quickly reduce the world's fertility rate by two thirds or more. A virus that causes sterility in most of the world's population would be a painless way to accomplish this.

A la Dan Brown's "Inferno".

Muleskinner · May 2, 2018

rog951 said:
This question has crossed my mind a lot the last couple years. If Hillary had won and continued the socialist assault as expected, I think we might be getting close to a breaking point of some kind. 1A and 2A are the keys, and both are under attack like crazy. Since 2A is really the ultimate protector of everything else, I feel like a gov't rep at my door asking for my guns would be the big tester. How many of us would really fail to comply? I think it's something we won't really know until the day comes. I pray we'd have the guts in numbers enough to keep our country.

But that's not how it will happen. First the government will mine the logs of every FFL in the country and every state government firearms database to see who has what. Next you will be sent a letter telling you you have X number of days to turn your firearms in to a designated collection point. If you fail to do so your paycheck will be withheld by the IRS and maybe a lien on your home. If that doesn't convince you friendly agents from a federal law enforcement agencies will meet you at work, or shopping, or church and put the shiny bracelets on you (and maybe any other adults living in your home since they would also have access to your guns) and off to jail you will go until you come clean with the whereabouts of your firearms. They are not going to accept stories of losing them in a boating accident or other fantasies...They aren't going to kick in your door...there are no where near enough of them...but they can certainly "convince" you to give them up...

At the point this starts is the breaking point for me (and thousands of other Oath Keepers and 3%ers)..

BeoBill · May 2, 2018

Mr. Ed said:
If anything 'breaks' I don't think it will be folks on our side who start anything (Americans who honor and respect our Constitution and family values). Of course, it'll be Trump's fault.

If something happens to the internet and folks who depend on government assistance can't get their freebies, that might light a fuse. Those of us who are at least somewhat prepared will be put in a position of defending ourselves, and then the media will portray US as the bad guys, NOT the folks who are trying to steal our stuff. I have not seen a single possible scenario where we, and the country, are better off afterwards.

Our country (and world) is overpopulated, and getting worse every day (think geometric progression). I think the only long term solution (which I'm not necessarily suggesting is a good idea) is for a world-wide pandemic to quickly reduce the world's fertility rate by two thirds or more. A virus that causes sterility in most of the world's population would be a painless way to accomplish this.

I suspect the FF scenario the Left has prepared would involve an attempted Government decapitation OP by "white supremacist NRA members". What happens after that is anyone's guess, depending on the degree of success.

Muleskinner said:
But that's not how it will happen. First the government will mine the logs of every FFL in the country and every state government firearms database to see who has what. Next you will be sent a letter telling you you have X number of days to turn your firearms in to a designated collection point. If you fail to do so your paycheck will be withheld by the IRS and maybe a lien on your home. If that doesn't convince you friendly agents from a federal law enforcement agencies will meet you at work, or shopping, or church and put the shiny bracelets on you (and maybe any other adults living in your home since they would also have access to your guns) and off to jail you will go until you come clean with the whereabouts of your firearms. They are not going to accept stories of losing them in a boating accident or other fantasies...They aren't going to kick in your door...there are no where near enough of them...but they can certainly "convince" you to give them up...

At the point this starts is the breaking point for me (and thousands of other Oath Keepers and 3%ers)..

I agree; I'm sure there'll be a roundup of some type. Especially in the Dem-dominated states like "The East Coast Elite States" and CA. And I'm old enough not to care if they accept my "FOAD" and "ESAD" responses.

5cary · May 2, 2018

Muleskinner said:
But that's not how it will happen. First the government will mine the logs of every FFL in the country and every state government firearms database to see who has what. Next you will be sent a letter telling you you have X number of days to turn your firearms in to a designated collection point. If you fail to do so your paycheck will be withheld by the IRS and maybe a lien on your home. If that doesn't convince you friendly agents from a federal law enforcement agencies will meet you at work, or shopping, or church and put the shiny bracelets on you (and maybe any other adults living in your home since they would also have access to your guns) and off to jail you will go until you come clean with the whereabouts of your firearms. They are not going to accept stories of losing them in a boating accident or other fantasies...They aren't going to kick in your door...there are no where near enough of them...but they can certainly "convince" you to give them up...

At the point this starts is the breaking point for me (and thousands of other Oath Keepers and 3%ers)..

I actually don't think it'll happen that way, either. Sure, there are a ton of pols and snowflakes that will work toward that as best they can, but the truth is (and they KNOW it) all they need to do is continue to control the narrative, the educational system, and the cultural mechanisms that drive macro social behavior. 30 years ago people would have *laughed*, as in serious comedy, over the idea that a child making a finger and thumb "gun" would get them suspended. Or going to a range with you dad getting you a visit from the Po Po. The stories are becoming normal. 10 years it will be worse, and in a generation or less, the Left will have what it's always wanted. A disarmed American Utopia. Don't get me wrong though. If they can pull off what you cited, they will, I just don't see it happening. The Oath Keepers and the 3%ers will make it too difficult...20 years down the road, not so much.

Major03 · May 4, 2018

5cary said:
I actually don't think it'll happen that way, either. Sure, there are a ton of pols and snowflakes that will work toward that as best they can, but the truth is (and they KNOW it) all they need to do is continue to control the narrative, the educational system, and the cultural mechanisms that drive macro social behavior. 30 years ago people would have *laughed*, as in serious comedy, over the idea that a child making a finger and thumb "gun" would get them suspended. Or going to a range with you dad getting you a visit from the Po Po. The stories are becoming normal. 10 years it will be worse, and in a generation or less, the Left will have what it's always wanted. A disarmed American Utopia. Don't get me wrong though. If they can pull off what you cited, they will, I just don't see it happening. The Oath Keepers and the 3%ers will make it too difficult...20 years down the road, not so much.

I think this is the more realistic path our enemies will take.

Atrox88 · May 4, 2018

I think most of us have shown great patience in dealing with those who try to force their ideas down our throats. I feel that the empowered anti-gunners only do so because their is very little resistance from the masses of gun owners at this point because most of us don't rely on our emotions for a response. If we ever do reach our boiling points I believe most of the anti-gunners will wither under the onslaught and crawl back into their holes to never be heard from again.

Jim12 · May 4, 2018

So long as they precede each and every step in their drive toward universal disarmament with the term, "common sense," they convince the unwashed and inattentive masses that they are engaging in what is only a rational response to the "gun violence probleml".

But, they are promoting everything but "common sense" when it comes to crime control, punishment, drug abuse, poverty, and all the social ills that result in what they glom together as "gun violence." "Gun violence" takes many different shapes, forms, and frequency depending on socioeconomic and geographic factors. The guns are all the same.

Guns aren't any more dangerous than they were decades ago. Society and people have more problems, though, and they are largely brought about and/or exacerbated by failed government policies over the past 50 years.

The politicians aren't fixing those problems, with the possible exception of our new President. This threatens the existing power structure in D.C. and in the Left-run urban centers and the blue states, and that's what needs to be changed.

iH8DemLibz · May 4, 2018

Some say the Left is the most angry of groups and will fight violently at the drop of a hat.

Some say the Left is full of shrinking violets that will cower at the first sign of real trouble.

Which is it?

Jim12 · May 4, 2018

iH8DemLibz said:
Some say the Left is the most angry of groups and will fight violently at the drop of a hat.

Some say the Left is full of shrinking violets that will cower at the first sign of real trouble.

Which is it?

Good question. As is true with the Right, and even the Center, maybe the answer is "both." The Left has some hard Left radical Marxist types and it also has snowflakes.

iH8DemLibz · May 4, 2018

Jim12 said:
Good question. As is true with the Right, and even the Center, maybe the answer is "both." The Left has some hard Left radical Marxist types and it also has snowflakes.

I believe the answer is both as well, but I didn't want to salt the plate with my post.

The Left is no different than the Right.

Extremely angry people on one end of the spectrum, shrinking violets on the other end of the spectrum, and a bunch of folks in the middle hoping and praying that we won't be slinging lead at one another to solve our seemingly insolvable differences.

Bisleyfan44 · May 14, 2018

Interesting article and definitely food for thought. Hiding guns, saying you sold them, boating accidents, etc. seem to be the consensus. Where do you stand? Are you certain?

https://americanhandgunner.com/from-my-cold-dead-fingers/

Alea Jacta Est · May 15, 2018

Jungle drums.

I&W...indications and warning

You MUST have some systematic and effective way to know both the local state of civil affairs and the impending or current operations of LE/JBT (jack booted thugs). Being ready is both a state of mind AND being. Being prepared is the confluence of understanding potential threats AND practicing (until routine, then practicing more) alternative mental and physical responses.

Failing some fore knowledge, your disadvantage is almost insurmountable. There are many situational decisions and postures you might make in advance to take space and time from the adversary. Where you decide to live is one. Some sort of ties to local civil authority...doesn’t need to be close, but does need to be effective/tested in advance. Being mentally tough unless you regularly dabble with your own stress and adrenaline, they will aide your adversaries instead of you.

What you know and when you know it are the very first keys to how you might react. Failure to acknowledge that and prepare (train) accordingly is a recipe for a sh1t sammich... Personally, I’m not a fan of crap on a couple slices of bread.

Muleskinner · May 15, 2018

Bisleyfan44 said:
Interesting article and definitely food for thought. Hiding guns, saying you sold them, boating accidents, etc. seem to be the consensus. Where do you stand? Are you certain?

https://americanhandgunner.com/from-my-cold-dead-fingers/

The only guns you will be successful in hiding would be any that have no paper. The government knows anything you have purchased through an FFL...That's why so many of us have jumped on the 80% train..

Czechnologist · May 15, 2018

iH8DemLibz said:
Some say the Left is the most angry of groups and will fight violently at the drop of a hat.

Some say the Left is full of shrinking violets that will cower at the first sign of real trouble.

Which is it?

Answer: it depends on the geography.

Here in the USA, it's mostly shrinking violets when you factor-out BLM and antifa-types seeking martyrdom. Think: Subaru ads on TV. The closest they've ever come to committing a violent act is hanging-up abruptly on a telemarketer.

Europe: unless the times have really changed a lot, the left seemed ready and willing to throw-down with anyone who opposed them. Red Brigades, Baader-Meinhof'ers, Socialists, Anarchists, etc. loved to fight, which made riot control and those chance off-duty encounters so much fun in Berlin. They would deliberately start shit with anyone who had a military-style haircut.

Muleskinner · May 15, 2018

5cary said:
I actually don't think it'll happen that way, either. Sure, there are a ton of pols and snowflakes that will work toward that as best they can, but the truth is (and they KNOW it) all they need to do is continue to control the narrative, the educational system, and the cultural mechanisms that drive macro social behavior. 30 years ago people would have *laughed*, as in serious comedy, over the idea that a child making a finger and thumb "gun" would get them suspended. Or going to a range with you dad getting you a visit from the Po Po. The stories are becoming normal. 10 years it will be worse, and in a generation or less, the Left will have what it's always wanted. A disarmed American Utopia. Don't get me wrong though. If they can pull off what you cited, they will, I just don't see it happening. The Oath Keepers and the 3%ers will make it too difficult...20 years down the road, not so much.

Maybe but there are a couple of things to consider:
1) The democrat party is in decline. Much of the old school party has left due to the radical way left agenda, even their hold on minority groups like blacks a Jewish people have begun to crack. (the reason the left is fighting so hard for open boarders) God willing in 20 years the dems will be left with a relatively small base and won't be relevant. They know that if they do not act soon they will lose their opportunity to complete their agenda of total control.

2) gun ownership numbers are going UP and many are first time buyers..I belong to several firearm builders and 80% builders groups online. A large portion of the members are kids in their late teens and early 20s.

If the left ever gets total control of Congress and the White House gun control will be a top priority. Their agenda is to seize control and keep it. Disarming the population has to play a part in that.

Muleskinner · May 15, 2018

iH8DemLibz said:
Some say the Left is the most angry of groups and will fight violently at the drop of a hat.

Some say the Left is full of shrinking violets that will cower at the first sign of real trouble.

Which is it?

There is a growing left wing 2A movement in the country. (i'm not talking about Antifa) It's small but unabashedly vocal about their intent to counter what they call "right wing hatred"..In their minds Republicans and libertarians are the ones provoking civil upheaval..What they don't understand (or will never admit) is that those 2 groups are part of the reason they can arm themselves..it's just more liberal mental illness..and it's scary

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