what can one armed civilian do vs an army?

danb · Mar 12, 2019

H/T pagunblog: https://www.pagunblog.com/2019/03/12/armed-resistance-in-venezuela/

This happened in the city of Maturin, on the East side of Venezuela. The National Guard was coming hard and heavy against some protesters when one of them pulled out a pistol, took several shots and apparently hit one of the guardsmen.

They stopped their charge.

its much harder for the government to impose its will when people actually fight back. And sometimes all it takes is chutzpah and a pistol. Imagine if a more than a few had rifles.

oh, and when society collapses due to Bernie Sanders style socialism there will be weeks of looting and no power: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-lati.../venezuela&link_location=live-reporting-story

5 years ago, Venezuela was one of the richest developing countries in the world. govt started confiscating guns in 2012.

PowPow · Mar 12, 2019

Dios mio! They've definitely achieved the fullest potential of tyranny and statist collapse. How does one bring about a peaceful transition to libertad under those conditions? Seek God and pledge your lives, your fortunes, and your sacred honor in defense of your objective.

WeaponsCollector · Mar 13, 2019

"Tyrants from Hitler to Mao to Stalin have sought to disarm their own citizens, for the simple reason that unarmed people are easier to control.
Our Founders, having just expelled the British army, knew that the right to bear arms serves as the guardian of every other right.
This is the principle so often ignored by both sides in the gun control debate. Only armed citizens can resist tyrannical government."
- Congressman Ron Paul, June 27, 2006

BurtonRW · Mar 13, 2019

I always get hit with the "how are you and your gun nut friends going to take down the army" BS, so I run through the numbers. If there are roughly 250M adults in the US and about 25% of that number own firearms, that's 62.5M gun owners in the US. Let's be conservative and assume that only 1% are willing or capable of fighting in any capacity.

That's over 6 million guerrilla fighters with varying, but generally liberal, access to small arms. Now factor in the number of police and military who would be included in those ranks and bring with them other goodies like crew-served weapons, explosives, armored vehicles, etc.

If the shit truly hit the fan, I don't think it would go the way these nitwit gun grabbers think it would.

May God forbid it, either way.

-Rob

Boxcab · Mar 13, 2019

BurtonRW said:
I always get hit with the "how are you and your gun nut friends going to take down the army" BS...

Get them really thinking by saying..

"Why would anyone fight the Army, when you would only need to go after their families and supporters."

I wonder how they would deal with that contingency?

Gorilla warfare can get very ugly if one is driven to it.

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Muleskinner · Mar 13, 2019

This should somehow find it's way into the in box of every gun grabber in the MGA..

Reptile · Mar 13, 2019

BurtonRW said:
I always get hit with the "how are you and your gun nut friends going to take down the army" BS, so I run through the numbers. If there are roughly 250M adults in the US and about 25% of that number own firearms, that's 62.5M gun owners in the US. Let's be conservative and assume that only 1% are willing or capable of fighting in any capacity.

That's over 6 million guerrilla fighters with varying, but generally liberal, access to small arms. Now factor in the number of police and military who would be included in those ranks and bring with them other goodies like crew-served weapons, explosives, armored vehicles, etc.

If the shit truly hit the fan, I don't think it would go the way these nitwit gun grabbers think it would.

May God forbid it, either way.

-Rob

Perhaps the assumption that the army would support a socialist takeover will turn out to be false. Little or no shooting necessary to solve the problem.

tomrkba · Mar 13, 2019

You need to remind them that the vast majority of our military will not fire upon US civilians. A few units will, but most will never do so as they understand the Constitution.

Boondock Saint · Mar 13, 2019

BurtonRW said:
I always get hit with the "how are you and your gun nut friends going to take down the army" BS, so I run through the numbers. If there are roughly 250M adults in the US and about 25% of that number own firearms, that's 62.5M gun owners in the US. Let's be conservative and assume that only 1% are willing or capable of fighting in any capacity.

That's over 6 million guerrilla fighters with varying, but generally liberal, access to small arms. Now factor in the number of police and military who would be included in those ranks and bring with them other goodies like crew-served weapons, explosives, armored vehicles, etc.

If the shit truly hit the fan, I don't think it would go the way these nitwit gun grabbers think it would.

May God forbid it, either way.

-Rob

Boxcab said:
Get them really thinking by saying..

"Why would anyone fight the Army, when you would only need to go after their families and supporters."

I wonder how they would deal with that contingency?

Gorilla warfare can get very ugly if one is driven to it.

.

There is a great deal of wisdom in these posts.

whistlersmother · Mar 13, 2019

I think it was here that I read the start of deer season in PA sees roughly 600,000 hunters traipsing about in the woods...

That's more hunters in PA than most countries have in their army.

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pbharvey · Mar 13, 2019

Boxcab said:
Gorilla warfare can get very ugly if one is driven to it.

Our country won its freedom with guerilla warfare.

“We stood beside our cotton bales and didn’t say a thing...then we opened up our squirrel guns”

Mark75H · Mar 13, 2019

During the Peninsular War, aka "La Guerrilla" Spain had no army and Portugal had almost none, but they still managed to expell both the French and British armies, the 2 most formidable armies of the day.

lazarus · Mar 13, 2019

whistlersmother said:
I think it was here that I read the start of deer season in PA sees roughly 600,000 hunters traipsing about in the woods...

That's more hunters in PA than most countries have in their army.

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I forget the relevant break down, but if all hunters in Texas formed a military they would be the 7th largest army on Earth.

Ironsighter · Mar 13, 2019

It's really not about bullets, it's about commodities. Remember when Hurricane Sandy went through the Northeast and people were attacking each other over a few gallons of gas? The tightly-packed blue areas are not self-sustaining: they rely on the red areas for everything they consume. Food, water, fuel, et al. Think about how a simple traffic accident disrupts life in an urban area.

Now, imagine if the folks in the red areas disabled all the trucks containing the things that stock the store shelves and fill the gas station tanks along the sides of the interstates, maybe jackknifed across the travel lanes, shutting down the flow of commodities into the densely-packed urban areas. Fossil-fueled powerplants run critically low on fuel because train tracks are blocked. There are brownouts and blackouts.

And the flow OUT of the cities, in the form of trash, stops too. It piles up in the streets. Rats are everywhere.

Population centers rely on a massive flow of commodities to keep their citizens calm and happy. They can't grow anything of their own. They can't hunt or fish. Disrupt their hierarchy of need and it will be all the cities can do to keep order within. People will be knifing each other over a bottle of water. The National Guards and military will have all they can do to keep order and distribute relief supplies brought in by water.

Remember the yellow shirts in France? Truck drivers? The feckless President left town. Cops did little or nothing. I don't recall any of the yellow shirts being armed.

A trucker's strike would be worth a million bullets.

babalou · Mar 14, 2019

Thuper thstorm thandy like Algore says

Ironsighter said:
It's really not about bullets, it's about commodities. Remember when Hurricane Sandy went through the Northeast and people were attacking each other over a few gallons of gas? The tightly-packed blue areas are not self-sustaining: they rely on the red areas for everything they consume. Food, water, fuel, et al. Think about how a simple traffic accident disrupts life in an urban area.

Now, imagine if the folks in the red areas disabled all the trucks containing the things that stock the store shelves and fill the gas station tanks along the sides of the interstates, maybe jackknifed across the travel lanes, shutting down the flow of commodities into the densely-packed urban areas. Fossil-fueled powerplants run critically low on fuel because train tracks are blocked. There are brownouts and blackouts.

And the flow OUT of the cities, in the form of trash, stops too. It piles up in the streets. Rats are everywhere.

Population centers rely on a massive flow of commodities to keep their citizens calm and happy. They can't grow anything of their own. They can't hunt or fish. Disrupt their hierarchy of need and it will be all the cities can do to keep order within. People will be knifing each other over a bottle of water. The National Guards and military will have all they can do to keep order and distribute relief supplies brought in by water.

Remember the yellow shirts in France? Truck drivers? The feckless President left town. Cops did little or nothing. I don't recall any of the yellow shirts being armed.

A trucker's strike would be worth a million bullets.

I remember calling Glockmeister about a G17 and they said they were getting tons of frantic calls from libs in NJ and NY. They said they thought they would never purchase a gun but the police are sitting at the edge if developments not helping protect their property from hoodlums.

One thing I am pissed about is how legit homeowners in New Orleans got their stuff confiscated. That is scary. If I were a cop there and saw a person with an old rifle kn their roof i would ask if all was well and then know I would not have to patrol as much there. A la rooftop Asians.

Vile Shadow · Mar 14, 2019

pbharvey said:
Our country won its freedom with guerilla warfare.

“We stood beside our cotton bales and didn’t say a thing...then we opened up our squirrel guns”

Yup. The Brits was better armed and equipped, and there was more of em, and Washington still somehow got a surrender out of Cornwallis with a hat tip to the French.

2nd=Good+Substantial · Mar 14, 2019

tomrkba said:
You need to remind them that the vast majority of our military will not fire upon US civilians. A few units will, but most will never do so as they understand the Constitution.

The pictures of MacArthur routing the "Bonus Army" in DC in 1932 certainly give me pause. He continued despite a stand down from President Hoover.

I certainly hope those few units are located in heavily blue areas.

DutchV · Mar 14, 2019

Ever heard of Jack Hinson? One man can do quite a bit if he's talented and motivated enough.

A good read:

https://www.amazon.com/Jack-Hinsons-One-Man-Civil-Sniper/dp/1589806409

PharaohF4 · Mar 14, 2019

DutchV said:
Ever heard of Jack Hinson? One man can do quite a bit if he's talented and motivated enough.

A good read:

https://www.amazon.com/Jack-Hinsons-One-Man-Civil-Sniper/dp/1589806409

Thanks. I added it to the wish list. I'm reading Resistance to Tyranny: A Primer currently.

Alan3413 · Mar 14, 2019

Here's what one man with two grocery bags can do.

Now imagine what a bunch of determined individuals can do.

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