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Old May 24th, 2019, 09:18 AM #11
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Thank you all for your input. A lot of good information there.

The patterning was requested specifically because it was discussed in the hunting safety class. None of us know how well he can actually shoot, because he had never fired a weapon of any sort before the shooting test. I will probably have to sift through the forum posts about the trap and skeet options open to us, because I could also stand some practice in that regard as well.
Yes trap would be a better use of his time. Once he is comfortable then patterning to test loads/chokes might make more sense.
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Thank you all for your input. A lot of good information there.

The patterning was requested specifically because it was discussed in the hunting safety class. None of us know how well he can actually shoot, because he had never fired a weapon of any sort before the shooting test. I will probably have to sift through the forum posts about the trap and skeet options open to us, because I could also stand some practice in that regard as well.
Loch Raven is close to you and offers beginner Skeet classes.

To make a golf analogy....

Skeet = Putting Range - will help you with angled shots and leads.
Trap = Driving Range - helps with longer shots and going away birds.
Five Stand = Par 3/Executive course - stimulates a lot of hunting shots.
Sporting Clays (not available at Loch Raven) - was designed to simulate hunting, but would be challenging for a newbie.

I believe PG Trap & Skeet also still offers beginners classes, but is closer to DC than Baltimore.

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Thank you all for your input. A lot of good information there.

The patterning was requested specifically because it was discussed in the hunting safety class. None of us know how well he can actually shoot, because he had never fired a weapon of any sort before the shooting test. I will probably have to sift through the forum posts about the trap and skeet options open to us, because I could also stand some practice in that regard as well.
Rent some guns from PG Trap & Skeet and shoot some sporting clays.
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while patterning a shotgun is way less important that zeroing a rifle, of course because the shot covers a much greater area, it's still nice to know poa vs poi, so patterning does matter at least some.

what i hate about shotgun shooting (skeet ,trap, etc) is that i never really know where i missed when a clay doesn't break. chances are it was low and/or behind surely, but it sure would be nice to know more precisely. any suggestions? i can't see the pellets and folks i've asked to watch haven't given me any confidence they can see it either.
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while patterning a shotgun is way less important that zeroing a rifle, of course because the shot covers a much greater area, it's still nice to know poa vs poi, so patterning does matter at least some.

what i hate about shotgun shooting (skeet ,trap, etc) is that i never really know where i missed when a clay doesn't break. chances are it was low and/or behind surely, but it sure would be nice to know more precisely. any suggestions? i can't see the pellets and folks i've asked to watch haven't given me any confidence they can see it either.
There really isn't a sure fire way to know.

.and your right, calling shots is a learned skill, that we spent a lot of time in instructor classes (NRA & NSCA) on. Hint: it has more to do with watching the relationship between barrel and target, than "seeing" the shot column.

A Shotkam (gun mounted camera) can help, but that is expensive and still takes some skill to interpret.

...and I've had many students who thought they were behind, and added more lead (rinse and repeat) and were so far out in front.......

Lifting your head to see the shot and not following through on the shot (stopping the gun) are much more likely suspects.

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while patterning a shotgun is way less important that zeroing a rifle, of course because the shot covers a much greater area, it's still nice to know poa vs poi, so patterning does matter at least some.

what i hate about shotgun shooting (skeet ,trap, etc) is that i never really know where i missed when a clay doesn't break. chances are it was low and/or behind surely, but it sure would be nice to know more precisely. any suggestions? i can't see the pellets and folks i've asked to watch haven't given me any confidence they can see it either.
Did they stop making shells with hi-viz wads? Maybe if you loaded your own, you could paint some of the pellets orange and see them?
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Did they stop making shells with hi-viz wads? Maybe if you loaded your own, you could paint some of the pellets orange and see them?
Didn't know such a thing was ever made.
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Where will you be hunting? Any reason you couldn't bring a couple wire target frames and do a quick pattern in the field before hunting?
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Where will you be hunting? Any reason you couldn't bring a couple wire target frames and do a quick pattern in the field before hunting?
When I asked this of my friend who just purchased a duck boat over the weekend, the response was "Anywhere and everywhere 6hp can take us."
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