Nadler Proposing Ammo/Magazine Ban

davsco · Aug 21, 2019

pbharvey said:
I also feel sad for any grown adult who thinks there is a difference between 10-30 round magazines and 30-10 round magazines.

let's be honest here, of course there's a difference, and i know which option i would choose. ditto for the AR, there's no doubt it's the best, at least one of the best, tools for the job when it comes to self defense, that's why we want/have them. of course, fun factor, competition, etc.

the issue is i don't want any limits on my ability to defend myself. if it takes a full tactical team with full loadouts to go after the loser boston marathon bomber, or the recent philly guy, then i want some of that to potentially defend myself, as i won't have a team backing me and the cops are minutes away.

we're not limiting alcohol to 5 proof, not limiting cars to 100hp, not locking cell phones above 3mph, because that's freedom, baby, even though lives would be saved, and we should have nothing less for firearms especially as they have the constitution protecting them.

Threeband · Aug 21, 2019

I've always said that f***tard at Sandy Hook could have done the same thing with a single shot .410 and a pocket full of shells.

pbharvey · Aug 21, 2019

davsco said:
let's be honest here, of course there's a difference, and i know which option i would choose. ditto for the AR, there's no doubt it's the best, at least one of the best, tools for the job when it comes to self defense, that's why we want/have them. of course, fun factor, competition, etc.

the issue is i don't want any limits on my ability to defend myself. if it takes a full tactical team with full loadouts to go after the loser boston marathon bomber, or the recent philly guy, then i want some of that to potentially defend myself, as i won't have a team backing me and the cops are minutes away.

we're not limiting alcohol to 5 proof, not limiting cars to 100hp, not locking cell phones above 3mph, because that's freedom, baby, even though lives would be saved, and we should have nothing less for firearms especially as they have the constitution protecting them.

Threeband said:
I've always said that f***tard at Sandy Hook could have done the same thing with a single shot .410 and a pocket full of shells.

He wasn’t really under any pressure to reload and fire. Zero difference if he was using 10 round or 5 round magazines.

jcutonilli · Aug 21, 2019

Threeband said:
I've always said that f***tard at Sandy Hook could have done the same thing with a single shot .410 and a pocket full of shells.

pbharvey said:
He wasn’t really under any pressure to reload and fire. Zero difference if he was using 10 round or 5 round magazines.

Sandy Hook is one example they use to demonstrate why a magazine round limitation would be useful. Some kids escaped while he was either reloading or had a feed malfunction. What most people fail to mention is that 154 rounds were fired with at least 5 mag changes and none of the other instances had people escaping.

namrelio · Aug 21, 2019

They worry about ARs, AKs, and 30 rd mags, a regular 11-87 with buckshot would be just as deadly if not more so IMO. Think about the new Rock Island VR 80 in close quarters. :sad20:

Occam · Aug 21, 2019

The unfortunate reality is that most of the grabber types simply have no idea how simple it is to change a lower-capacity mag, especially with a little practice. The obsessive crazies aren't unaware of this, just like rational defense-minded people understand it.

The perfect antidote to this nonsense is to point out that the Parkland murderer used 10-round mags. Why? Because he couldn't discreetly fit his rifle into his sports duffel bag with the larger mag attached. The 10-round mags were stealthier, and that's what he used.

fidelity · Aug 21, 2019

Occam said:
The unfortunate reality is that most of the grabber types simply have no idea how simple it is to change a lower-capacity mag, especially with a little practice. The obsessive crazies aren't unaware of this, just like rational defense-minded people understand it.

The perfect antidote to this nonsense is to point out that the Parkland murderer used 10-round mags. Why? Because he couldn't discreetly fit his rifle into his sports duffel bag with the larger mag attached. The 10-round mags were stealthier, and that's what he used.

The Virginia Tech shooter also used 10-rd mags for one of the two pistols that he brought (the Walther). This tragedy is still the deadliest school shooting on record.

BlueHeeler · Aug 21, 2019

namrelio said:
a regular 11-87 with buckshot would be just as deadly if not more so IMO.

True story.

Columbine High School, Aurora theater, Santa Fe High School, Washington Navy Yard all used shotguns.

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