Franklin Armory Binary Trigger

teratos · Jan 9, 2016

j_h_smith said:
I would think this goes against the 1 pull of the trigger/1 shot mandate by the BATF. I think this is a good way to have the Men in Black come to visit your house about 2:00am. No thank you!

They have an ATF letter. I believe they define semiautomatic as one shot per trigger operation or something like that. Pulling is an operation, releasing is an operation.

j_h_smith · Jan 9, 2016

teratos said:
They have an ATF letter. I believe they define semiautomatic as one shot per trigger operation or something like that. Pulling is an operation, releasing is an operation.

Again, I'm not saying they are illegal now, but I can see a letter being written and the next thing you know, Franklin Armory is going to be forced to give the BATF the names and addresses of the folks that bought this trigger.

If the BATF can change it's mind on the Sig Brace, I can't see how this trigger stands up to the BATF scrutiny.

Again, this is just my personal opinion.

protegeV · Jan 9, 2016

j_h_smith said:
Again, I'm not saying they are illegal now, but I can see a letter being written and the next thing you know, Franklin Armory is going to be forced to give the BATF the names and addresses of the folks that bought this trigger.

If the BATF can change it's mind on the Sig Brace, I can't see how this trigger stands up to the BATF scrutiny.

Again, this is just my personal opinion.

You may be on to something, but I try not to live my life in fear of what might happen in the future.

SCARCQB · Jan 9, 2016

If BATFE decides to confiscate. Then I'll send them the trigger. No need for swat teams and raids.

Its not the first time a took a chance at something.

teratos · Jan 9, 2016

j_h_smith said:
Again, I'm not saying they are illegal now, but I can see a letter being written and the next thing you know, Franklin Armory is going to be forced to give the BATF the names and addresses of the folks that bought this trigger. If the BATF can change it's mind on the Sig Brace, I can't see how this trigger stands up to the BATF scrutiny. Again, this is just my personal opinion.

If I ever buy one, I will IMMEDIATELY sell it to a total stranger.

protegeV · Jan 9, 2016

teratos said:
If I ever buy one, I will IMMEDIATELY sell it to a total stranger.

j_h_smith · Jan 9, 2016

protegeV said:
You may be on to something, but I try not to live my life in fear of what might happen in the future.

Yeah, but when it quacks like a duck and swims like a duck, it's usually a duck. I can't see how they got an affirmative response from the BATF in the beginning, much less after they're asked for a review.

How do you fire a single round with this trigger while in this mode? If it's not possible to fire a single round in this mode, then this is a NFA addition to the firearm. Since it has it's own position other than semi auto, and that position fires more than one round at a time, it's an NFA item. Again, just my personal opinion.

protegeV · Jan 9, 2016

j_h_smith said:
Yeah, but when it quacks like a duck and swims like a duck, it's usually a duck. I can't see how they got an affirmative response from the BATF in the beginning, much less after they're asked for a review.

How do you fire a single round with this trigger while in this mode? If it's not possible to fire a single round in this mode, then this is a NFA addition to the firearm. Since it has it's own position other than semi auto, and that position fires more than one round at a time, it's an NFA item. Again, just my personal opinion.

But it's design and purpose is clear cut. Unlike the Sig Brace which is only a supposed :nono:

when used as a stock, rather than its intended purpose as a forearm brace.

The atf has already said this trigger is okay. There is no logical way for them to go back on their word. How many different ways can you use this trigger other than as it has already been explained.

That's just my personal opinion.

teratos · Jan 9, 2016

j_h_smith said:
How do you fire a single round with this trigger while in this mode? If it's not possible to fire a single round in this mode, then this is a NFA addition to the firearm. Since it has it's own position other than semi auto, and that position fires more than one round at a time, it's an NFA item. Again, just my personal opinion.

You hold the trigger in, drop the mag, and pull your charging handle.

SCARCQB · Jan 9, 2016

teratos said:
You hold the trigger in, drop the mag, and pull your charging handle.

With the trigger pulled back, use support hand to switch selector to semi. Then it functions as a normal semi trigger with a longer than usual reset.

smokey · Jan 9, 2016

I looks nifty. I poked around the interwebs and it looks like you should make sure to grease that pin circled in red. If not, it'll increase pull weight when it cams.

rtse4me · Jan 10, 2016

I have seen some trap shooters use a release trigger because of flinching. Most I have seen are release/pull or double release triggers but I imagine there are pull/release triggers also.
So, this is really nothing new?

outrider58 · Jan 10, 2016

This is a dupe, though I'm not sure which one was first. We need a thread meld.

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=187562

protegeV · Jan 10, 2016

outrider58 said:
This is a dupe, though I'm not sure which one was first. We need a thread meld.

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=187562

This ain't no dupe. This thread was posted 4 days ago :whack:

clandestine · Jan 11, 2016

Im wondering if they really drop in without mods.

The only flaw seems to be the ability to outrun the carrier.

Ill have one soon, but I wont buy the first run, Im not willing to be a guinea pig.

SCARCQB · Jan 11, 2016

clandestine said:
Im wondering if they really drop in without mods.

The only flaw seems to be the ability to outrun the carrier.

Ill have one soon, but I wont buy the first run, Im not willing to be a guinea pig.

If they ship my order, you can play with them before you order yours.

protegeV · Jan 11, 2016

SCARCQB said:
If they ship my order, you can play with them before you order yours.

Knowing Chad, Im not sure if we're talking about triggers or something else

BradMacc82 · Jan 11, 2016

protegeV said:
Knowing Chad, Im not sure if we're talking about triggers or something else

Well, knowing SCAR. It's triggers.

BossmanPJ · Jan 11, 2016

DC-W said:
Wish I hadn't stopped buying

$9 for a box of 50 rounds was awesome insanity.

Yes it was. Some of us may have been lucky enough to pick up a few cases of it.... Unfortunately it has all been properly disposed of. :party29:

SCARCQB · Jan 11, 2016

It's okay.. I wear groin plates all the time...that's why I walk funny.

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