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Old July 16th, 2018, 03:30 PM #11
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There is nothing prohibiting off body carry when you have a permit for handguns. Loaded rifles are a no go for vehicles even with a permit, but handguns are okay to be loaded, again with a permit.
MSP has links to the statutes of what you can and cannot (mostly cannot) do, but you must read the actual law, there are several cases where MSP claims firearms are prohibited but the law says otherwise.

Here under where firearms are prohibated. http://mdsp.maryland.gov/Organizatio...rryPermit.aspx
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Old July 16th, 2018, 04:45 PM #12
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In general laws tell you what you can't do, not what you can do
Agreed! So I'm hoping someone can guide me to any law that details ways in which you may *not* carry as a permit holder. In general, does the permit negate the laws regarding transport of a weapon? I mean, it seems at least implied, out of necessity. But cops can be jerks, and prosecutors can be even jerkier.
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The statute dosen't have limits to the manner of Wearing & Carrying .

Approaching from the other direction, the case law for 4-203 ( and predecessor statutes ) are just rife with convictions of people with their roscoe ( used facetiously) in their vehicle not on person, packs and bags, etc . So the breadth of different modes of w'ing & c'ing is established as very inclusive.


Added - It would seem your instructor got way into left field with his paraphrasing .
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Glad this was brought up.
Just to clarify, if you have business right on Wear/Carry Permit

Can you have a combination lock box, affixed say underneath a seat,
with revolver and your CASH for purchasing items.
So handgun would not always be on your person, but in vehicle.

Also for times, when you go into a building, like a courthouse, etc. where the handgun cannot be on your person.
You would need to remove it and store it somewhere, so would the Combination Lockbox be adequate
and of course, the real test, keep me out of jail.
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Glad this was brought up.
Just to clarify, if you have business right on Wear/Carry Permit

Can you have a combination lock box, affixed say underneath a seat,
with revolver and your CASH for purchasing items.
So handgun would not always be on your person, but in vehicle.

Also for times, when you go into a building, like a courthouse, etc. where the handgun cannot be on your person.
You would need to remove it and store it somewhere, so would the Combination Lockbox be adequate
and of course, the real test, keep me out of jail.
For the times you believe you are covered by your restrictions:
Honestly, so long as you make a good faith effort to abide by whatever your restrictions are, you would be very unlikely to have an encounter with police in which you found yourself in trouble. Even if you did, a lawyer would likely shred the state's case in court.

For times when you know you can't carry/transport:
Have a locking safe somewhere in your car, stow the firearm, and don't say anything about it- there are no reasonable situations in which any officer would be granted access to a locked safe inside your vehicle, without some indication of what might be inside, without a warrant. Even during a search incident to arrest for some other offense such as a DUI, etc, they would not be able to break into a locked safe without a warrant so long as they have no reasonable suspicion of what its contents are and evidence of a crime.

I think everyone worries too much, frankly.
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For the times you believe you are covered by your restrictions:
Honestly, so long as you make a good faith effort to abide by whatever your restrictions are, you would be very unlikely to have an encounter with police in which you found yourself in trouble. Even if you did, a lawyer would likely shred the state's case in court.

For times when you know you can't carry/transport:
Have a locking safe somewhere in your car, stow the firearm, and don't say anything about it- there are no reasonable situations in which any officer would be granted access to a locked safe inside your vehicle, without some indication of what might be inside, without a warrant. Even during a search incident to arrest for some other offense such as a DUI, etc, they would not be able to break into a locked safe without a warrant so long as they have no reasonable suspicion of what its contents are and evidence of a crime.

I think everyone worries too much, frankly.
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The statute dosen't have limits to the manner of Wearing & Carrying .

Approaching from the other direction, the case law for 4-203 ( and predecessor statutes ) are just rife with convictions of people with their roscoe ( used facetiously) in their vehicle not on person, packs and bags, etc . So the breadth of different modes of w'ing & c'ing is established as very inclusive.


Added - It would seem your instructor got way into left field with his paraphrasing .
If the system is rife with convictions, how does that support the assertion that different modes of carry are acceptable? I don't think I'm getting your meaning, but this is the closest thing I've gotten to a thoughtful response so I'd love it if you could expand on what you're saying!
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State highway rest areas...better carry a thunder bucket.
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Based on my research, the CCW permit does allow for open carry, off body carry (duh), and transporting in a vehicle. Here is what I found:

The law that criminalizes carrying without a permit says:

(a)(1) Except as provided in subsection (b) of this section, a person may not:
(i) wear, carry, or transport a handgun, whether concealed or open, on or about the person;

Md. Crim. Law Code Ann. 4-203

The exception is a carry permit. So the law says no open carry, but the exception does not specify open of concealed, it just says you can carry if you have a permit:

Exceptions
(b) This section does not prohibit:

(2) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun, in compliance with any limitations imposed under 5-307 of the Public Safety Article, by a person to whom a permit to wear, carry, or transport the handgun has been issued under Title 5, Subtitle 3 of the Public Safety Article;


The word "conceal" does not appear at all in the Public Safety article with regard to CCW permits. Also, an obvious proof is that security guards obtain a permit under the same article, and they obviously can open carry. Same goes for transporting in a car. The law says transport, which certainly means transporting in a vehicle.

So yes, I think you can open carry if you have a permit and you can also unholster and drop it in the glove box.
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Your CCW permit covers SBR and SBS. It should also cover any other firearm the State treats like a handgun. See below for the specific statutes.

(c) “Handgun” has the meaning stated in 4-201 of the Criminal Law Article.

MD PUBLIC SAFETY  5-301


(c)(1) “Handgun” means a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed on the person.
(2) “Handgun” includes a short-barreled shotgun and a short-barreled rifle.
(3) “Handgun” does not include a shotgun, rifle, or antique firearm.

Md. Crim. Law Code Ann. 4-201
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