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Old November 9th, 2018, 02:47 PM #311
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Are there any thoughts on the effect of Gould (1CCA-recent decision) on Young?
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Old November 9th, 2018, 03:05 PM #312
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Are there any thoughts on the effect of Gould (1CCA-recent decision) on Young?
Gould is discussed in the brief. Gould actually distinguished Young because Young is a complete ban
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Old November 9th, 2018, 11:26 PM #313
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Perhaps now SCOTUS will take Young - complete bans seem to catch their eye - as in Heller.

We shall see if either Gorsuch or Kavanaugh are constitutionalists after all... and I just don't know about Roberts - I don't think anyone does.
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Old November 10th, 2018, 06:37 AM #314
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Perhaps now SCOTUS will take Young - complete bans seem to catch their eye - as in Heller.

We shall see if either Gorsuch or Kavanaugh are constitutionalists after all... and I just don't know about Roberts - I don't think anyone does.
That would be in 3-4 years by my best guess. If CA9 denies en banc then I doubt SCOTUS will grant cert.
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Old November 15th, 2018, 09:39 PM #315
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This just got filed. I think I struck a nerve

https://www.scribd.com/document/3933...-en-Banc-Reply
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Old November 15th, 2018, 10:12 PM #316
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This just got filed. I think I struck a nerve
In fact, you got so far under their skin that they couldn't take a deep breath and proofread their filing enough to notice that they used the word "causal" when they meant the word "casual."

And yes, one does detect a certain atmosphere of ... petulant crankiness on their part.

Edit: And, is their passage about "citizen" vs. "security" even meaningful? Aren't all people acting as providers of security in fact citizens? I believe I understood the issue to be that, in practice, non-security-providers hadn't ever been issued a permit (never mind what that person is labeled in the sense this reply mentions). Thoughts?
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In fact, you got so far under their skin that they couldn't take a deep breath and proofread their filing enough to notice that they used the word "causal" when they meant the word "casual."

And yes, one does detect a certain atmosphere of ... petulant crankiness on their part.

Edit: And, is their passage about "citizen" vs. "security" even meaningful? Aren't all people acting as providers of security in fact citizens? I believe I understood the issue to be that, in practice, non-security-providers hadn't ever been issued a permit (never mind what that person is labeled in the sense this reply mentions). Thoughts?
I got a lot of work to do regarding this. I'll post something later.
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I thought it made for very interesting reading and it does suggest that they became ah "very upset" that is putting it mildly, after they read the reply you filed. This is turning into a very interesting case and I for one would not be surprised if it did end up asking for cert before SCOTUS. Of course it goes without saying will SCOTUS grant cert is the million dollar question..
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Wow. Sounds familiar.


"Furthermore, it is undisputed that Hawaii law authorizes private citizens to obtain concealed-carry permits."
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Wow. Sounds familiar.


"Furthermore, it is undisputed that Hawaii law authorizes private citizens to obtain concealed-carry permits."
But they failed to include the Sarcasm tag
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