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Old November 17th, 2017, 06:58 PM #1
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MSP advisory "received" and "one-shot" requirement.

Dont know if this is posted ..if it is.. delete/ignore .

https://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5a0f77a2...%2BReceive.pdf

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PUBLIC SAFETY §5-117.1(c) states that “A person may purchase, rent, or
receive a handgun only if the person:
(1) (i) possesses a valid handgun qualification license issued to the
person by the Secretary in accordance with this section;...”
The Maryland State Police (MSP) has applied the ruling in Chow v. State, 393
Md. 431 (2006) to interpret the definition of “receive” as it pertains to PS §5-
117.1(c). Chow held “the temporary gratuitous exchange or loan of a regulated
handgun between two adult individuals, who are otherwise permitted to own and
obtain a regulated handgun, does not constitute an illegal “transfer” of a
firearm....” The MSP views “transfer” and “receive” as equivalent for purposes
of Maryland’s firearms laws and interprets “receive” as including the gratuitous
permanent exchange of title or possession, but excluding temporary gratuitous
exchanges or loans of handguns.
Therefore, an individual, not otherwise prohibited from owning or possessing
regulated firearms, is not required to possess an active HQL in order to borrow a
regulated firearm from another individual on a temporary basis.

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PUBLIC SAFETY §5-117.1(c)(3)(iii) requires a firearms orientation component that demonstrates the person’s safe operation and handling of a firearm, which includes, as required by COMAR 29.03.01.29.C(4), a practice component in which the applicant safely fires at least one round of live ammunition.
1) 2)
The Maryland State Police (MSP) has received several requests to review
alternative non-lethal, marking projectiles to satisfy the “live fire” component of
the HQL training requirement. The MSP has determined that the use of non-lethal
marking projectiles would meet the HQL “live fire” training requirement
provided that the non-lethal marking projectile meets the following requirements:
meets the definition of “ammunition” as defined in Public Safety §5-133.1(a):
“a cartridge, shell, or any other device containing explosive or incendiary
material designed and intended for use in a firearm;” and
can be fired from a firearm as defined in Public Safety §5-101(h)(1)(i): “a
weapon that expels, is designed to expel, or may readily be converted to expel
a projectile by the action of an explosive.”
So assuming sims guns are ok now for the live fire .
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Old November 17th, 2017, 07:03 PM #2
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yes, we knew that. But what prompted this?

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yes, we knew that. But what prompted this?



Probably too many calls asking their interpretation on it. Lol
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Probably too many calls asking their interpretation on it. Lol
There are like half a dozen shops that rent firearms in Central MD.

Why do I suspect antis are calling up "how is this legal?"

There have been several unfortunate tragedies at some of these ranges. May or may not be a coincidence, but my antenna are tingling.
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There are like half a dozen shops that rent firearms in Central MD.



Why do I suspect antis are calling up "how is this legal?"


Not even that... Seen here/asked before that if significant other/family would like to borrow a handgun and go to the range .
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I edited my post.

Can my son/daughter/spouse use my gun at the range does not seem like a question you call the police to ask. And if they are getting a lot of these questions, enough to write a memo, there is a lot of new interest out there.
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Can my son/daughter/spouse use my gun at the range does not seem like a question you call the police to ask. And if they are getting a lot of these questions, enough to write a memo, there is a lot of new interest out there.


Yup.. It's a good thing...

The borrowing also answer the question if your kids/wife need hql or not before taking said gun to the range.
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The thing that pisses me off about the one shot requirement is that live fire was in SB218 initially. It was taken out of the bill when we argued that it would be onerous. MSP put it back in after the bill was passed without it.
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The thing that pisses me off about the one shot requirement is that live fire was in SB218 initially. It was taken out of the bill when we argued that it would be onerous. MSP put it back in after the bill was passed without it.
This. The reason I tell people to take the Texas online hunter Safety course.

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The thing that pisses me off about the one shot requirement is that live fire was in SB218 initially. It was taken out of the bill when we argued that it would be onerous. MSP put it back in after the bill was passed without it.
But, but, LE agencies only enforce the law!
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