Trigger options for a classic Sig Pxxx

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  • Pinecone

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    You don't need dummy rounds to dry fire. You cannot dry fire a modern centerfire pistol enough to harm it. Competition shooters dry fire their pistols hundreds of times or more PER DAY.

    One thing that has helped some people is balancing a penny on the front sight, and dry firing without dropping the penny. Develops smooth, straight trigger pull. And stop you from anticipating the sear break.

    As Blaster states, if you are anticipating recoil and flinching, that is a different thing. Dummy rounds mixed in to show that you are flinching will help you work on that.
     

    Shamr0ck

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    @ Pinecone - thanks for the penny suggestion. I'll corporate that into my training routine.

    I've been to the range a twice since the OP and find that many of the suggestions are helping. last week's trip was to get more used to the recoil/report and i ran 150 rounds though the pistol as a way to get more used to the 'jump out of the closet'. I found that this helped as it was unaimed practice and by the end of the session I was much more relaxed (no death grip on the pistol).

    I share the pistol with my wife and she was having challenges comfortably reaching the trigger given her hand size. I installed a Sig OEM Short Reach Trigger last Wednesday to help her with this and while it wasn't meant to address pre-travel or post-travel, it does make it easier for her (and me) to get her trigger finger where it needs to be.

    Yesterday's session was short given my schedule for the day. 60 rounds thru the P228 and 4 magazines through the P220 in 45ACP. I used 25 yard pistol target and set it at 3 yards for 5 of the 6 mags and at 5 yards for the final mag. I had a couple of great groups and a couple 'stinkers'. I'll post pix in a response. Interesting that all groups were low and the 228 was lower than the 220. I clearly need to pay more attention to my sight picture and make sure i have 'equal height' with the front post and rear notch.
     

    Shamr0ck

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    Pix from yesterday

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    Blaster229

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    Typically you need to raise your point of aim with a Sig. Not a "pumpkin on a fence post", but the top of the front sight should be cutting that pumpkin in half.
     

    Shamr0ck

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    Typically you need to raise your point of aim with a Sig. Not a "pumpkin on a fence post", but the top of the front sight should be cutting that pumpkin in half.



    Thanks - great point! I’ll redouble my efforts to not use a 6 o’clock hold (thought I was, but the holes are landing below the POA so it looks like I’ve more work to do on this front)



    The 228 has a 6 on the front sight blade and the rear is stamped with an 8. The 220 has 8's on both sight pieces.



    I'm sure more practice will lead to more consistent groups (less fliers and strings) and that those groups will shrink. Frankly, for the 4th time out in 2019, i'm not unhappy with a couple nice round groups in the 2-3" range. I'll wait till i'm more consistent to increase the distance.



    The 228s front sight seemed more challenging to get into focus on Sunday. It has a white dot on the rear face of the blade and is meant to sit on top of the white square centered at the bottom of the rear notch. The 220 has night sights but the dials no longer glow.



    given that i'm just a little left or directly below, i think the side to side piece of aiming is in pretty good shape and trigger technique is only slightly pushing POI left - I do seem to be having challenges with the 'equal height' part though - unless trigger, grip and flinch issues are polluting the sight picture and causing the POI shift downward.



    As has been mentioned up thread --- practice, practice and practice :) having fun and not discouraged - thanks for the input!
     

    Racer Doug14

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    Your groups look good Shamr0ck. Your 1st shot is DA? Might explain the one flyer in each,on the 228 target. If you make a point to notice that 1st shots placement.
     

    Shamr0ck

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    Your groups look good Shamr0ck. Your 1st shot is DA? Might explain the one flyer in each,on the 228 target. If you make a point to notice that 1st shots placement.



    Thx - trying to work on one thing at a time so shot #1 is SA. Figure once I get trigger technique improved and POA vs POI issues squared away, I can add the DA to SA transition.

    Always open to suggestions though....


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    Blaster229

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    You really should do the first shot DA. You need to get to feel and know that transition as part of your shooting ritual.
     
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    rambling_one

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    I'm far from a handgun expert, but this has been my experience: All shots S/A.

    7yds with Kimber .45 Target Custom II - all rounds in 10 ring of 8" splatter target. Very short reset trigger; crisp let off.
    7yds with Sig 226 - all rounds in an 8" splatter target, but can't get a tight group. Long reset (lots of travel).

    I love that Kimber!
     

    John from MD

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    At the distance you are shooting, you really don't need the rear sight at all. You can point your front sight at center mass and you should obtain a good group.

    I agree with Blaster, you should be shooting double action on your first shot. The 2xx series sigs were not target pistols with the exception of the P210. If you are going to use it for self protection, you need to shoot from the decocked and loaded postion.

    As for triggers, back in the day I carried a 229, Sig made a short trigger for them. This made a big difference for those of us with short fingers. The trigger is a drop in and Just about anyone can do it. The Sig XXX series are one of the easiest guns to tear completely down and put back together. If the trigger reach is too long, you may be canting the gun to reach the trigger.
     

    Shamr0ck

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    At the distance you are shooting, you really don't need the rear sight at all. You can point your front sight at center mass and you should obtain a good group.

    I agree with Blaster, you should be shooting double action on your first shot. The 2xx series sigs were not target pistols with the exception of the P210. If you are going to use it for self protection, you need to shoot from the decocked and loaded postion.

    As for triggers, back in the day I carried a 229, Sig made a short trigger for them. This made a big difference for those of us with short fingers. The trigger is a drop in and Just about anyone can do it. The Sig XXX series are one of the easiest guns to tear completely down and put back together. If the trigger reach is too long, you may be canting the gun to reach the trigger.

    I installed the Sig OEM short REACH trigger on Wednesday of last week - and I agree - getting the P-series pistol apart and back together again really isn't that challenging.

    I'll start taking first shot from loaded/decocked position as DA and continue to work on sight picture (focus on front sight) only, especially at 3 yards.

    Mrs Shamr0ck and youngest Shamr0ck just left the house for some girl time - likely will head back over to the range today...

    Again - thank you all for weighing in and sharing thoughts/impressions/suggestions. I do appreciate it
     

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