I saw that too. I like it, but personally already have too many guns in x39 - really want a 5.45.
Vz 58 vs Arsenal 104. What would you choose?
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I saw that too. I like it, but personally already have too many guns in x39 - really want a 5.45.
rob-cubed
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The poly sidefolder is awesome. The chunky metal sidefolder on the VZ is crap... there are better options for the VZ now, but the poly Russian/Bulgarian sidefolder is still aesthetically and functionally a better design.
5.45 shoots flatter. Mags are also easier to come by. VZ mags aren't exactly expensive or hard to find, but they aren't as common.
Parts for the 5.45 are cheaper, you should ever need to replace bits. You probably won't.
I love the VZ, in 7.62 it may actually be a better design, but... it's not an AK.
Now if your heart is set on a 51, personally the only reason to get that is if you plan to chop it down and get a tax stamp. If there's one bit on an AK pattern rifle that SUCKS it's the crappy sights, and sight radius. A 51 takes that sight radius and halves it further. It's a rifle that wants to be something else.
5.45 shoots flatter. Mags are also easier to come by. VZ mags aren't exactly expensive or hard to find, but they aren't as common.
Parts for the 5.45 are cheaper, you should ever need to replace bits. You probably won't.
I love the VZ, in 7.62 it may actually be a better design, but... it's not an AK.
Now if your heart is set on a 51, personally the only reason to get that is if you plan to chop it down and get a tax stamp. If there's one bit on an AK pattern rifle that SUCKS it's the crappy sights, and sight radius. A 51 takes that sight radius and halves it further. It's a rifle that wants to be something else.
CodeWarrior1241
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I'm a VZ58 owner. Voting for the Arsenal.
With the beaverbarf replaced by modern Czech issue handguard, and FAB grip and stock, it's a good, well balanced platform... But removing the upper handguard to clean the op rod is not that great. That's where the red dot sits too, so in theory it needs to be rezeroed every time, but in practice inside of 200m it won't matter anyway with imported steelcase M43 ammo.
AK has the better cleaning process, cheaper accessories, and the 5.45mm is a great round. Mags are also cheaper, you're buying something still produced and issued by many major countries around the world.
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With the beaverbarf replaced by modern Czech issue handguard, and FAB grip and stock, it's a good, well balanced platform... But removing the upper handguard to clean the op rod is not that great. That's where the red dot sits too, so in theory it needs to be rezeroed every time, but in practice inside of 200m it won't matter anyway with imported steelcase M43 ammo.
AK has the better cleaning process, cheaper accessories, and the 5.45mm is a great round. Mags are also cheaper, you're buying something still produced and issued by many major countries around the world.
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j_h_smith
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Comrade, what's this cleaning of an AK you speak of?
CodeWarrior1241
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Heh, I'm from Russia... They train ppl to clean/oil AKs over there. Even if it's shoelaces and old motor oil, right?
AK doesn't have this mythical reliable reputation there that it does here. I mean, ppl on the forum obviously know better, but there is a perception in the US for some reason.
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CodeWarrior1241
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For stuff like this, I'd really be curious what is the name of the shop...
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Well I dont want to name drop as I have had great experiences with them in the past. I mainly put the blame on the employee for not knowing the proper information before he followed up with me. He claims that the owner will get back to me so hopefully the owner rights his wrong. I dont claim to know everything but in this situation I know im right. If they dont want to transfer the firearm that is their decision. Ill just take my business elsewhere from now on if thats the case. A quick search of the ban list will show that the vz 58 is not banned and its internals are not interchangeable with an ak47. I guess he didnt have time to look that up.
One word on where to go "Duffys"
I have heard nothing but great things about them. Just sucks they are over an hour from me.
Its worth the hour drive. Nice shop and great service.
CodeWarrior1241
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They sold me my Vz 58... Great people to work with, also helps they are my local shop.
While I'd rather have an AKM rather than a Vz 58, I'd rather have that vs nothing in M43 at all. That's why I won't be selling it...
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While I'd rather have an AKM rather than a Vz 58, I'd rather have that vs nothing in M43 at all. That's why I won't be selling it...
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Maybe ill make the drive soon.
Im set on the vz 58 at this point it has alot of great features imo. Id keep it too.
Its worth the drive and its a cash and carry gun, they are about an hour and 10 from me and I make it up there every once in a while.
Is a bummer if you are doing a 77R but VZs don't require them.
ericoak
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How much is an SLR-104FR going for nowadays?
Ill consider it. Thanks for the recommendation
No idea ive only seen the 104UR in stock recently for around 1300.
I own a Vz58 and an Arsenal SLR104FR. I like both of them, but for different reasons. Most of my friends seem to think the Vz58 is the cooler gun. It gets a lot of attention at the range.
CodeWarrior1241
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Did you leave yours in beaverbarf or update it?
My handguard is nice but stupid heavy... Thinking of getting the polymer one the Czechs themselves use.
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