R&R Arrested at March On NRA

fidelity · Aug 5, 2018

spoon059 said:
As a cop who has had to work the civil disturbance detail before, I can promise you that 99% of arrests are ordered by the line commander... not the line officer.

This was a political decision, 100%. The line officer is following a lawful order of a superior and has no discretion. ...

This was the assumption in the other thread, but I'm glad you posted first hand experience. I bet a number of officers were bothered that they couldn't do equal enforcement on both sides (with higher-ups putting them in this position through creation of a DMZ).

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whistlersmother · Aug 5, 2018

mpdc4511 said:
Pretty hard to actually get in a cops pocket book. The agency assume's 99.9% of liability in these financial suits.

And maybe that's why it's so easy to just "follow orders".

The officer has no downside risk, especially arresting someone that doesn't have 100 riotous suporters on the arrestees side.

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swinokur · Aug 5, 2018

R&R Arrested at March On NRA

While not excusing anyone’s behavior, I see a difference between turning dogs on someone and a simple arrest.

Sgt Pope not so much. If he got his order from a politician and not a superior supervisor, he had discretion and chose not to use it. We won’t know that until Discovery is complete or until trial

And it would appear from the photos that one of the arresting officers was one of the on scene supervisors. So perhaps he didn’t feel it was illegal to begin with .

Guess the court will decide

Bob A · Aug 5, 2018

Leadership of FCPD and the County Exec screwed the pooch. Cops on the scene had no opportunity to exercise discretion.

I had a long and reasonable conversation with Lt Becker. His hands were tied by higher-ups. It's sad that the officer in the street has to put up with political interference which essentially negates any good that he/she might accomplish on the scene, acting in accordance with the actuality rather than the fantasies of their Dear Leaders.

swinokur · Aug 5, 2018

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I’m not gonna lose my job and career because some left leaning pol thought it was good idea to cave in to the leftist mob. Let them take the heat.

Yep reality bites

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ShafTed · Aug 5, 2018

welder516 said:
So we can assume at 9;30 am the police leaders or political hacks decided then at that time when R&R was to be arrested .

Decided at 9;30

arrested later in day .

My own personal reading comprehension tells me that 9:30 AM is the designated time for the court appearance. I saw no information on the time of summons on the pic posted.

swinokur · Aug 5, 2018

I think you are correct. It is the court appearance Time

swinokur · Aug 5, 2018

But Lt Becker may still need a new watch!

lol

welder516 · Aug 5, 2018

ShafTed said:
My own personal reading comprehension tells me that 9:30 AM is the designated time for the court appearance. I saw no information on the time of summons on the pic posted.

swinokur said:
I think you are correct. It is the court appearance Time

swinokur said:
But Lt Becker may still need a new watch!

lol

My apologies , I read it wrong . You gentlemen are correct . I misunderstood Stove's comment and posting my bad .

Blacksmith101 · Aug 5, 2018

whistlersmother said:
And the arresting officer yesterday, will he be sued?

"Following orders" sounds like it is getting expensive for the rank and file.

Perhaps getting into their personal pocketbook may make them less hesitant to "follow orders".

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Probably sue the arresting officer to find out who told him to perform the arrest and to testify that R&R was not causing any trouble and it will probably he that points out the "Line" was not yet crossed when the arrest took place. Then whoever told him will be added to the suit to find out who told him and so it will go up the chain until either the top is reached or some poor sap is made to throw himself on the sword to protect someone with too high a profile.

When willfully interfering with a persons civil rights an official can loose their immunity and become personally liable, the money then comes out of their pocket not the Department's. The civil rights movement changed more things than just not sitting in the back of the bus or being served at the lunch counter.

Link about personal liability:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/27890981?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

28Shooter · Aug 5, 2018

Rack was clearly singled out and discriminated against - Was it his race? Was it his long hair? Was it his age? Maybe his gender? What? There is no excuse for this and whoever took "call" to arrest him/facilitate the arrest should be compelled in open court and under oath to the testify as to who gave the order and then that person should be compelled to appear and be questioned as to the double-standard/discriminatory arrest. Somebody should lose a job over this though I'm sure nobody will.

pilot25 · Aug 5, 2018

The NRA should provide pro bono lawyers, and a lot of them, for his court date. To expose the hypocrisy of the Fairfax police dept and govt.

montoya32 · Aug 5, 2018

Stoveman said:
To be clear, they acknowledge the mistake of the double standard but still issued R&R a summons.

Admitting a mistake means they admit to violating R&R's constitutional rights. Settlement check in the mail? When was R&R released? After the event was over or were you guys able to cross once he was out? Did they still enforce the line once he was released?

montoya32 · Aug 5, 2018

pilot25 said:
The NRA should provide pro bono lawyers, and a lot of them, for his court date. To expose the hypocrisy of the Fairfax police dept and govt.

I noticed the sheriff's dept using NRA property to escort R&R into custody. I found that interesting.

RepublicOfFranklin · Aug 5, 2018

“To Protect Democrat Optics and to Serve the Democrat Agenda” is pretty much the motto of the entire Fairfax county government. NOVA is an embarrassment to actual VA and should counted as DC so their votes won’t count.

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ironpony · Aug 5, 2018

Given these arrests for no reason other than an attempt to silence a person/a group/an amendment/a natural right which is at the front of the news nearly daily, I don’t think I would go anywhere alone.

Is there jail time for giving these orders or just a check written, because there seems to be enough money to do this many times over. Two false arrests in separate states should make national news, unless it’s all being orchestrated from the same bank account, but I’m pretty sure the media is not controlled by an agenda?. Just a thought. Please pass the tinfoil.

Doctor_M · Aug 5, 2018

To Rack, Stove, and the entire PP crew. Thank you for all that you do. Has anyone from the NRA reached out regarding the unconstitutional arrest?

pilot25 · Aug 5, 2018

So is it the general feeling the cops were forced to be biased against the PP? Is that even legal to force the police to act in such a manner. I know a few Fairfax cops and they are all pro-2A. I don't see them in the pictures however. Maybe the cops at the event were hand picked because they are anti-2A.

Ronan · Aug 5, 2018

I thought crossing a police line was illegal, unless escorted by an officer (or told right then/there that its alright to proceed)?

I got cited in the past for crossing the yellow tapes when trying to get across the road so i could get home. Others did it right before me, nothing happened to them...

Hope R&R has a good lawyer... sticky situation...

swinokur · Aug 5, 2018

According to VA statute posted by another member, the police line was illegal. therefore the arrest was illegal.

IANAL

No idea if it will be proven however.

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