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Old June 18th, 2017, 09:18 AM #41
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So the Park Service does enforce state laws.
No, they enforce the Federal law that says that National Parks follow the laws of the state where they are located.

A seemingly slight, but actually significant difference.
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Old June 18th, 2017, 10:47 AM #43
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Guess you want to take risks and be in trouble. I would not because it seems very complicated when it comes to interpreting the laws. Point blank.
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How complicated is "follow the laws of the state the park is located in?"

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I got a ME permit so I can legally carry in Arcadia National Park because ME law requires it or a reciprocal state's resident permit, as ME does not recognize NR permits. The NPS follows ME law.

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I wish that were true. Carry in national parks is up to the laws of the state it is in. For example, to carry in Acadia you have to have a Maine permit. Maryland law states specifically no carry in State or Federal parks even if you have an unrestricted W&C permit.
Actually, MD law makes it illegal to carry in a STATE park, by regulation. It does not address carry in a federal park.
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Good information on this post. Clears up a lot on this park thing.
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ME State Police have amended their stance on permits in Arcadia National Park. Either a ME permit or a permit from a reciprocal state will be legal. ME does not recognize any NR permits however, so if we want to carry there, get a ME permit. I did
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What about National Wilderness, such as Dolly Sods? I would assume that since the state is now constitutional carry, the same would apply there (and I haven't found anything in the Googlesphere that would contradict that position, other than that long guns may still be prohibited on Sundays).
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Dolly Sods is a designated wilderness area which is inside a National Forest. National Forests are managed be the US Forest Service, an agency within the dept. Of agriculture.

The above mentioned 2009 Credit Card Act provisions only pertain to National Parks and National Wildlife Refuges. Both types of public lands are managed by their respective agencies within the dept. of the interior.

It would have to be some other law or regulation that permits one to carry on National Forest lands. I am not aware of that sort of law but that does not mean it does not exist.
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Dolly Sods is a designated wilderness area which is inside a National Forest. National Forests are managed be the US Forest Service, an agency within the dept. Of agriculture.

The above mentioned 2009 Credit Card Act provisions only pertain to National Parks and National Wildlife Refuges. Both types of public lands are managed by their respective agencies within the dept. of the interior.

It would have to be some other law or regulation that permits one to carry on National Forest lands. I am not aware of that sort of law but that does not mean it does not exist.
https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE...rdb5066182.pdf

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Laws Regarding Firearms on National Forest Lands
First, the primary laws governing possession of firearms and other weapons on National
Forest are State Laws. These laws were developed by the states following establishment
of our Cooperative Wildlife Management Agreements. Most notable of the state laws
concerns controlling firearms on the National Forest are “cased gun laws”.
Cased Gun Laws: As the name implies, this law requires that all firearms on National
Forest be unloaded and kept in a case. Virginia and West Virginia have similar “cased
gun laws”. In order to allow hunting, these laws make an exception.
• It is legal to have loaded firearms on National Forest during the authorized
general firearms and muzzle loading gun seasons for bear, deer, grouse, pheasant,
quail, rabbit, raccoon, squirrel, turkey, or waterfowl. This exception is very
specific and applies only during the period when it is legal to take these listed
species and doesn’t include carrying the loaded weapons in a vehicle.
• Because hunting on Sunday is prohibited, carrying a loaded gun on National
Forest is not legal on Sunday even if it is the Sunday in the middle of the general
firearms deer season.
• The second exception to this law allows people with a concealed weapon permit
to carry a loaded, concealed, handgun either on their person or in their vehicle
while on National Forest. This does not apply if the person is engaged in a
primitive weapons season or chase only season.
• People muzzle loading or bow hunting may carry a concealed weapon as long as
they possess a concealed weapon permit.
Discharging a firearm, crossbow, or bow and arrow in or across a road or within
the right-of-way of any road is prohibited by both State and Federal Law.
Any person convicted of a felony may not legally possess firearms on National Forest.
Reckless use or handling firearms: It is a violation of both Federal and State law to
handle any firearm in a careless and reckless manner or hunt while under the influence of
intoxicants or narcotic drugs.


   
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