SAF SUES CHICAGO OVER GUN RANGE PROHIBITION ON 1A, 2A GROUNDS

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  • Oreo

    Banned
    BANNED!!!
    Mar 23, 2008
    1,394
    I was just thinking things had been a little too quiet for a little too long.

    Got this email from SAF 15min ago:
    CHICAGO, IL - The Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) today filed a lawsuit in federal court against the City of Chicago's new gun ordinance, asserting that "by banning gun ranges open to the public... under color of law," the city is depriving citizens of their right to keep and bear arms in violation of the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

    Joining SAF in this lawsuit are the Illinois State Rifle Association (ISRA), Action Target, Inc., and three individual plaintiffs including a retired Chicago police detective. They are represented by attorneys Alan Gura of Virginia and David Sigale of Chicago, who teamed up with SAF and ISRA on the landmark case of McDonald v. City of Chicago, which incorporated the Second Amendment to the states, effectively striking down Chicago's 28-year-old handgun ban.

    "While the city has adopted new regulations that make it legal to own handguns," said SAF Executive Vice President Alan M. Gottlieb, "they have crafted this new ordinance to make it virtually impossible for prospective gun owners to meet all legal requirements unless they travel outside the city for mandatory training. The new ordinance prohibits public gun ranges inside the city yet the city demands that handgun owners get at least one hour of range training time.

    "This is a Catch-22' scenario," he continued, "that seems deliberately designed to discourage Chicago residents from exercising their firearm civil rights barely two months after those rights were restored by the Supreme Court."

    Individual plaintiffs are Rhonda Ezell, a victim of three attempted burglaries who has disabilities making it difficult for her to travel outside the city; Joseph Brown, a WWII U.S. Army veteran who was among the liberators of the infamous Dachau concentration camp, and William Hespen, a retired police detective, all of whom must qualify for Chicago Firearms Permits.

    Action Target, a Utah-based company, builds shooting ranges and manufactures gun range equipment and supplies. It has a long history of providing gun safety equipment and training, and has previously built law enforcement shooting ranges in Chicago. However, Action Target is prohibited from building a public target range within the city's limits under the restrictions of the new gun ordinance.

    Randy Graham, vice president of Action Target, said, "We believe that citizens have a constitutional right to use and train with firearms in a safe and controlled environment. As a leader in the firearms training industry, Action Target is committed to standing up for these rights."

    "By banning public gun ranges," Gottlieb said, "and by banning the loan and rental of firearms at such ranges, Chicago is acting under color of law to deprive citizens of their right to keep and bear arms, and to conveniently receive the education required under the ordinance that is necessary to obtain a Chicago Firearms Permit. The city is violating both the Second and First amendments, and we are asking the court to put an end to this nonsense."




    The Second Amendment Foundation (www.saf.org) is the nation's oldest and largest tax-exempt education, research, publishing and legal action group focusing on the Constitutional right and heritage to privately own and possess firearms. Founded in 1974, The Foundation has grown to more than 650,000 members and supporters and conducts many programs designed to better inform the public about the consequences of gun control. SAF has previously funded successful firearms-related suits against the cities of Los Angeles; New Haven, CT; and San Francisco on behalf of American gun owners, a lawsuit against the cities suing gun makers and an amicus brief and fund for the Emerson case holding the Second Amendment as an individual right.
     

    Patrick

    MSI Executive Member
    Apr 26, 2009
    7,725
    Calvert County
    I cannot wait for the day the wife and I can pack our Glocks, fly to Chicago and start converting the masses to gun owners. Starting with family and their friends.

    I have gotten many requests for support/info/introductions since McDonald. Visited that city for the 4th of July and had all kinds of questions come up from those few who know I shoot, plus all their friends. Some family even flew down here to learn handgun/shotgun basics in anticipation. These are not typical "gun nuts".

    A range in Chicago, plus legally being able to bring my own guns (not even carry, just equivalent to MD laws), would be a great way to convert. We'd probably have 10 or so folks in the place and shopping for guns in about a week. And some of them will do the same for more people...

    Funny how the deprived are the most hungry.
     

    ozwyn

    Ultimate Member
    Apr 21, 2008
    1,212
    Richardson, Texas
    I think over the next ten years gun rights will be restored and protected to an extent that we could have only dreamed of.

    We will look back and with 20/20 hindsight call ourselves fools for trying to lobby congress for fair-weather friends, and the high risk supreme court rulings will seem like obvious slam dunk cases.

    the whole dialogue of gun rights will change. Heck its already starting.
     

    krucam

    Ultimate Member
    Ezell v. City of Chicago (Gun Range prohibition in Chicago) SAF/Gura

    Docket is at: http://ia360706.us.archive.org/1/items/gov.uscourts.ilnd.246475/gov.uscourts.ilnd.246475.docket.html

    This one will be on a 'fast track', primarily due to Daley's "emergency gun bills" following McDonald. There was a 90 day grandfather clause to get your Handgun Permit (requires range time, but there are no ranges Catch-22) that is coming up in October.

    Gura & team have asked for a Preliminary Injunction as a result: http://www.archive.org/download/gov.uscourts.ilnd.246475/gov.uscourts.ilnd.246475.6.0.pdf (great read)
     

    boricuamaximus

    Ultimate Member
    Dec 27, 2008
    6,237
    I hate the SAF...

    Now is more money I will have to donate. How do they expect us to keep buying guns and donate at the same time? I think I will be banned from 2a if I dont do some lunctime paperwork for something soon.
     

    Squaredout

    The Widows Son
    Mar 25, 2010
    461
    I think a large group of city residents should pack up there guns and take the public transportation system to the out of city limit gun ranges. That will cause such a big issue in the city that they will have to allow ranges in the city.
     

    Patrick

    MSI Executive Member
    Apr 26, 2009
    7,725
    Calvert County
    Ezell v. City of Chicago (Gun Range prohibition in Chicago) SAF/Gura

    Docket is at: http://ia360706.us.archive.org/1/items/gov.uscourts.ilnd.246475/gov.uscourts.ilnd.246475.docket.html

    This one will be on a 'fast track', primarily due to Daley's "emergency gun bills" following McDonald. There was a 90 day grandfather clause to get your Handgun Permit (requires range time, but there are no ranges Catch-22) that is coming up in October.

    Gura & team have asked for a Preliminary Injunction as a result: http://www.archive.org/download/gov.uscourts.ilnd.246475/gov.uscourts.ilnd.246475.6.0.pdf (great read)

    Wow. A First and Second Amendment challenge to the range ban. The case of the 2A arguments is as we would expect, plus the added 1A argument that suppressing training and education is suppressing speech. Turns out they have cases supporting exactly the latter - a police officer reprimanded for teaching a gun safety class sued and later won, on the basis that his "educational material" rose to the highest standard of protected speech.

    The brief also points out that Chicago will suffer no harm by allowing ranges - it already has several that are not open to the public and until recent times had ranges that were open to the public. It makes clear that the law was passed specifically to frustrate people interested in getting a gun and that it was designed as resistance to McDonald.

    Other interesting notes: they reference several portions of Heller regarding training with guns, and how such training is part of the "core right" protected.

    The SAF and plaintiffs make it clear that this law will be struck. They contend there is no argument over its unconstitutional nature. Heller specifically calls out training being part of the 2A right...yet Chicago bans it , while also requiring it.

    This is argued in Court next Monday. Can't wait to see Chicago's response, as Gura pretty much demands they make their case on the Constitutional merits of their range ban right now. There are 18 cases referenced here, including the Girl Scouts, Christian Legal Society and even Lawrence v Texas (which tossed a Texas law against gay sex). It's going to be a long week for Chicago's counsel.
     

    shawn

    Active Member
    Oct 23, 2007
    708
    We will look back and with 20/20 hindsight call ourselves fools for trying to lobby congress for fair-weather friends

    Exactly.......This is what the NRA fails to see (or ignores). These battles must be fought in court to restore rights.

    I suppose the NRA does a good job of keeping anti-guns bills from being passed but they are always on defense. The SAF is on a scorched earth offense.

    The NRA never wants to go on the offensive.
     

    BenL

    John Galt Speaking.
    Wow. A First and Second Amendment challenge to the range ban. The case of the 2A arguments is as we would expect, plus the added 1A argument that suppressing training and education is suppressing speech. Turns out they have cases supporting exactly the latter - a police officer reprimanded for teaching a gun safety class sued and later won, on the basis that his "educational material" rose to the highest standard of protected speech.

    The brief also points out that Chicago will suffer no harm by allowing ranges - it already has several that are not open to the public and until recent times had ranges that were open to the public. It makes clear that the law was passed specifically to frustrate people interested in getting a gun and that it was designed as resistance to McDonald.

    Other interesting notes: they reference several portions of Heller regarding training with guns, and how such training is part of the "core right" protected.

    The SAF and plaintiffs make it clear that this law will be struck. They contend there is no argument over its unconstitutional nature. Heller specifically calls out training being part of the 2A right...yet Chicago bans it , while also requiring it.

    This is argued in Court next Monday. Can't wait to see Chicago's response, as Gura pretty much demands they make their case on the Constitutional merits of their range ban right now. There are 18 cases referenced here, including the Girl Scouts, Christian Legal Society and even Lawrence v Texas (which tossed a Texas law against gay sex). It's going to be a long week for Chicago's counsel.

    Could there ever come a point where the courts could find that such a blatant action was taken to circumvent their ruling, that they would impose a harsh penalty for contempt?
     

    MDFF2008

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 12, 2008
    24,750
    Exactly.......This is what the NRA fails to see (or ignores). These battles must be fought in court to restore rights.

    I suppose the NRA does a good job of keeping anti-guns bills from being passed but they are always on defense. The SAF is on a scorched earth offense.

    The NRA never wants to go on the offensive.

    The big difference between the NRA and the SAF is where they fight most of the time.

    The SAF fights in Court. Judges are appointed for life and cannot be removed because of their rulings.

    The NRA fights in the Congress, where people are removed every 4 years, and the whims of the people change year to year.

    So while the SAF can explore deep constitutional meanings and history, and know that judges for the most part are very educated people, the NRA must be content to deal with people who hate guns for no reason, and who respond to emotion and fear.
     

    krucam

    Ultimate Member
    Many updates today in Ezell v Chicago. Updated at:
    http://ia360707.us.archive.org/1/items/gov.uscourts.ilnd.246475/gov.uscourts.ilnd.246475.docket.html

    Chicago is making a strong argument against the Temporary Restraining Order:
    http://ia360707.us.archive.org/1/items/gov.uscourts.ilnd.246475/gov.uscourts.ilnd.246475.15.0.pdf

    The Temporary Restraining order (was to be determined today) will be tomorrow now: http://ia360707.us.archive.org/1/items/gov.uscourts.ilnd.246475/gov.uscourts.ilnd.246475.16.0.pdf
     

    Oreo

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    Mar 23, 2008
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    Chicago attorney is arguing his / her ass off on that one. LOL. Granted, I think it awfully bold of Alan Gura to seek that TRO. He's clearly under their skin.
     

    krucam

    Ultimate Member
    Chicago attorney is arguing his / her ass off on that one. LOL. Granted, I think it awfully bold of Alan Gura to seek that TRO. He's clearly under their skin.

    I'd love to be in the courtroom listening to this! In fairness to Chicago, they ARE correct in arguing that this case's (Ezell) complaint (gun ranges in Chicago) is duplicated in the other suit being brought by the NRA (Benson), which is challenging gun ranges and a lot of other problems with the new laws.
     

    krucam

    Ultimate Member
    Plaintiff's (Gura) Motion for Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) denied today. However the schedule is laid out for this one to move forward relatively quickly.

    08/24/2010 17[RECAP] MINUTE entry before Honorable Virginia M. Kendall: Temporary restraining order hearing held on 8/24/2010. Plaintiff's motion for TRO 11[RECAP] is denied without prejudice for the reasons stated on the record in open court. Minute entry 13[RECAP] is stricken. Plaintiff's motion for preliminary and permanent injunction 4[RECAP] is briefed as follows: Responses due by 9/20/2010 Replies due by 9/27/2010. Preliminary Injunction hearing set for 10/1/2010 at 01:00 PM. Defendant's oral motion to keep the previous schedule is denied. Any discovery shall be complete by 9/13/2010. Advised in open court notice (tsa, ) (Entered: 08/24/2010)

    The pdf #17 from the Internet Archive docket should be available soon...thanks to RECAP and Patrick...
     

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