Is the colt m4 expanse legal in md?

user_617905 · Aug 28, 2017

Stoveman said:
Caveat emptor

I see how my informal phrasing makes it seem like I was entirely relying on the retailer's word.

I understood it to be MD legal based on:
-It's a Colt AR-15 (I know brand doesn't really matter)
-It's specifically advertised as having a heavy barrel

GoldGunsGirls · Aug 28, 2017

I have a factory complete Colt SOCOM upper with heavy barrel in the classifieds right now if you're interested and don't feel like dealing with finding a FFL, or paying things like sales tax.

Pinecone · Sep 3, 2017

user_617905 said:
Recently purchased a CE2000HB from Fox's Firearms, so I'd hope it's good to go.

FYI, I would not mention on MDS you purchased from Fox's.

Do a search on them.

And next time one of the Industry Partners of this site.

Threeband · Sep 3, 2017

Pinecone said:
FYI, I would not mention on MDS you purchased from Fox's.

Do a search on them.

And next time one of the Industry Partners of this site.

PM sent.

Nothing more to say.

MDElite · Sep 3, 2017

If Colt says it's an hbar, it's an hbar. It can be sold or transferred in MD.

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jrhzn · Sep 4, 2017

Rc29b1 said:
I cant seem to figure it out. Its an hbar, but even my local gun shop has one but they dont feel comfortable selling it cause theyre not sure. Anyone know anything about this?

As long as it meets the constraints and is not on the MSP Banned Firearms list you are good to go.

Some examples of the questions to ask are listed below:

1) Is this weapon semi-automatic? If not, it is not banned and you do not need to continue.

2) If this is a rifle, is it centerfire? If not, then it is not banned and you do not need to continue.

3) Is this weapon considered to be a copy of a banned weapon? If so, then it is banned and may not be purchased, sold, or transferred.

4) If this is a semi-automatic centerfire rifle that can accept a detachable magazine, does it have any two of the following: a folding stock; a grenade launcher or flare launcher; or a flash suppressor; If so, then it is banned and may not be purchased, sold, or transferred.

5) If this is a rifle, does it have a fixed magazine that holds more than 10 rounds? If so, then it is banned and may not be purchased, sold, or transferred.

6) If this is a rifle, what is the overall length of the weapon? If the stock is fully extended and there are no removable additions to the barrel, is the weapon less than 29 inches? If so, then it is banned and may not be purchased, sold, or transferred.

7) If this is a semi-automatic shotgun, does the weapon have a revolving cylinder? If so, then it is banned and may not be purchased, sold, or transferred.

8) If this is a semi-automatic shotgun, does the weapon have a folding stock? If so, then it is banned and may not be purchased, sold, or transferred.

Digby · Sep 6, 2017

Here's my .02 -- forget the Expanse and buy a Colt AR6721. It's a real Colt, not a cheap clone like the Expanse. The only "Colt" manufactured part on an Expanse is the lower. Everything else is outsourced. You can buy an AR6721 for under $800 on Gunbroker. Closest thing to an M4 that we can buy in MD. But hurry, Colt stopped production of the AR6721 earlier this year and it is no longer carried in the Colt catalog. The AR6721's that you see for sale on GB or in local stores are the last of the bunch.

Rack&Roll · Sep 6, 2017

Thus endeth the lesson.

omegared24 · Sep 6, 2017

Digby said:
Here's my .02 -- forget the Expanse and buy a Colt AR6721. It's a real Colt, not a cheap clone like the Expanse. The only "Colt" manufactured part on an Expanse is the lower. Everything else is outsourced. You can buy an AR6721 for under $800 on Gunbroker. Closest thing to an M4 that we can buy in MD. But hurry, Colt stopped production of the AR6721 earlier this year and it is no longer carried in the Colt catalog. The AR6721's that you see for sale on GB or in local stores are the last of the bunch.

This is 100% correct.

Rack&Roll · Sep 6, 2017

As I noted in other Colt threads:

Colt is occasionally pairing up 6920 lowers with 6721 HBAR uppers now to get HBAR product out the door. The confirmation is "LE XXXXX" serial number on the 6721 HBAR carbine "hybrid", and on the shipping box.

First pic: the usual 6721 HBAR lower markings, historically marked "Cal. .223"

Second pic: a 6721 upper/6920 lower "hybrid" carbine (brand new stock), retaining 6920 markings.

Slim · Sep 11, 2017

Rack&Roll said:
Second pic: a 6721 upper/6920 lower "hybrid" carbine (brand new stock), retaining 6920 markings.

Who has those?

dbledoc · Sep 14, 2017

As an update, I sent a clarification request into the MSP firearms division about the Expanse HBAR and received the following response from Sgt. Moriarity. Indicating that the Expanse HBAR with the SOCUM barrel is MD legal.

"The Maryland State Police is responsible for reaching its own conclusions with respect to whether particular firearms are copies of enumerated banned firearms. In reaching those conclusions, the Maryland State Police adheres to the process articulated in the Firearms Bulletin, #10-2, dated November 4, 2010, a copy of which may be found on our website. To that end, the
Maryland State Police has determined that, for enforcement purposes, a firearm is considered a “copy” if it is both cosmetically similar to and has completely interchangeable internal components necessary for the full operation and function of one of the enumerated banned weapons.

On August 30, 2017, the Maryland State Police Licensing Division received a request from you confirming that you have been unable to determine if the Colt CE2000HB is a “copy” of an enumerated banned assault long gun, and therefore, unable to make an informed decision regarding its status
for legal possession and/or sale in Maryland.

On September 13 2017, the Colt CE2000HB was compared against the list of assault weapons, enumerated in the Public Safety Article, Title 5 §101(r) (2). The Colt CE2000HB was determined not to be cosmetically similar to anything on the current enumerated banned weapons list. It is,
therefore, the determination of the Maryland State Police Licensing Division, that the Colt CE2000HB is not a “copy” of an enumerated banned assault weapon.

The Colt CE2000HB was also compared against the “Copycat weapon” definition, located in the Criminal Law Article, Title 4 § 301 (e). The result of that comparison found the Colt CE2000HB does not meet the “Copycat weapon” definition.

As a result of the above information, the Maryland State Police Licensing Division accepts the Colt CE2000HB does not meet the definition of a “copycat weapon” or the definition of a copy of an enumerated weapon and as such, exempted from the definition of regulated firearms, pursuant to the
enumerated banned assault weapons list. Therefore, the firearm is not subject to Maryland’s Public Safety Article, Title 5, Sub-Title 1. The Maryland State Police has updated its Reviewed Firearms List to account for the Colt CE2000HB."

Rc29b1 · Sep 15, 2017

dbledoc said:
As an update, I sent a clarification request into the MSP firearms division about the Expanse HBAR and received the following response from Sgt. Moriarity. Indicating that the Expanse HBAR with the SOCUM barrel is MD legal.

"The Maryland State Police is responsible for reaching its own conclusions with respect to whether particular firearms are copies of enumerated banned firearms. In reaching those conclusions, the Maryland State Police adheres to the process articulated in the Firearms Bulletin, #10-2, dated November 4, 2010, a copy of which may be found on our website. To that end, the
Maryland State Police has determined that, for enforcement purposes, a firearm is considered a “copy” if it is both cosmetically similar to and has completely interchangeable internal components necessary for the full operation and function of one of the enumerated banned weapons.

On August 30, 2017, the Maryland State Police Licensing Division received a request from you confirming that you have been unable to determine if the Colt CE2000HB is a “copy” of an enumerated banned assault long gun, and therefore, unable to make an informed decision regarding its status
for legal possession and/or sale in Maryland.

On September 13 2017, the Colt CE2000HB was compared against the list of assault weapons, enumerated in the Public Safety Article, Title 5 §101(r) (2). The Colt CE2000HB was determined not to be cosmetically similar to anything on the current enumerated banned weapons list. It is,
therefore, the determination of the Maryland State Police Licensing Division, that the Colt CE2000HB is not a “copy” of an enumerated banned assault weapon.

The Colt CE2000HB was also compared against the “Copycat weapon” definition, located in the Criminal Law Article, Title 4 § 301 (e). The result of that comparison found the Colt CE2000HB does not meet the “Copycat weapon” definition.

As a result of the above information, the Maryland State Police Licensing Division accepts the Colt CE2000HB does not meet the definition of a “copycat weapon” or the definition of a copy of an enumerated weapon and as such, exempted from the definition of regulated firearms, pursuant to the
enumerated banned assault weapons list. Therefore, the firearm is not subject to Maryland’s Public Safety Article, Title 5, Sub-Title 1. The Maryland State Police has updated its Reviewed Firearms List to account for the Colt CE2000HB."

I just checked the msp website and the last hasnt been updated. Where did you see that it was updated?

user_617905 · Sep 16, 2017

Rc29b1 said:
I just checked the msp website and the last hasnt been updated. Where did you see that it was updated?

They were directly quoting correspondence with the MSP. It appears the posted list has not been updated. Go figure.

Edit: As checked early 9/16 it's specifically "not banned"

http://mdsp.maryland.gov/Organizati...LicensingDivision/Firearms/FirearmSearch.aspx

Rc29b1 · Sep 16, 2017

user_617905 said:
They were directly quoting correspondence with the MSP. It appears the posted list has not been updated. Go figure.

Edit: As checked early 9/16 it's specifically "not banned"

Wow yeah just showed up right after my post

dreadpirate · Sep 19, 2017

Rack&Roll said:
As I noted in other Colt threads:

Colt is occasionally pairing up 6920 lowers with 6721 HBAR uppers now to get HBAR product out the door. The confirmation is "LE XXXXX" serial number on the 6721 HBAR carbine "hybrid", and on the shipping box.

My 6721 also has those markings. Fine by me. When I picked it up from JLowes, John told me he had a surprise for me and I was pleased.

dreadpirate · Sep 19, 2017

user_617905 said:
They were directly quoting correspondence with the MSP. It appears the posted list has not been updated. Go figure.

Edit: As checked early 9/16 it's specifically "not banned"

http://mdsp.maryland.gov/Organizati...LicensingDivision/Firearms/FirearmSearch.aspx

Nice. See what else you can get moved over to the "Not Banned" list.

dreadpirate · Sep 19, 2017

Digby said:
Here's my .02 -- forget the Expanse and buy a Colt AR6721. It's a real Colt, not a cheap clone like the Expanse. The only "Colt" manufactured part on an Expanse is the lower. Everything else is outsourced. You can buy an AR6721 for under $800 on Gunbroker. Closest thing to an M4 that we can buy in MD. But hurry, Colt stopped production of the AR6721 earlier this year and it is no longer carried in the Colt catalog. The AR6721's that you see for sale on GB or in local stores are the last of the bunch.

Yes.

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