CMP 1911s update

somd_mustangs · Dec 13, 2017

nothing you or me or the guy next door can do about it, so might as well sit back and relax and watch the fun unfold...

cdstraw · Dec 13, 2017

WOW! I picked up my Sistema Colts (4) for between $250 and $400 each. This was about a decade ago.

somd_mustangs · Dec 13, 2017

yeah, you'll need to triple that now

j_h_smith · Dec 13, 2017

Abulg1972 said:
Maybe I'm missing something else, but I don't see any provision in the Act or Title 36 that gives the Secretary any discretion to dictate how the CMP sells firearms that it receives and thereupon become its property.

These ARE C or R firearms. Whether the CMP wants to recognize an 03 FFL when selling them is a different matter.

The US Army doesn't have to release these handguns. They want it done one way. If they are to be released to the CMP, then the CMP must follow the guidelines the US Army sets.

Plain.

cdstraw · Dec 13, 2017

ironpony said:
What is considered a "marksmanship activity" ?

I am curious about this myself... I have kept my annual dues ($25) up with the GCA (Garand Collectors Association) just in case I saw a rifle I desired.

I purchased my last CMP Garand (Winchester) about 3 years ago.

Abulg1972 · Dec 13, 2017

j_h_smith said:
The US Army doesn't have to release these handguns. They want it done one way. If they are to be released to the CMP, then the CMP must follow the guidelines the US Army sets.

Plain.

What? "[T]he Secretary of the Army shall transfer surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols described in paragraph (2) to the Corporation . . . in accordance with this section."

There is no discretion on the Army's part, and neither that section nor any other section conditions such mandated transfer on the Army's adoption of guidelines to be followed by the CMP once the pistols become the property of the CMP.

I'm not trying to be argumentative or stir up crap, and I realize that there is absolutely nothing any of us can do to change anything, but this is an interesting topic of discussion and I think it's important that we work with the facts.

ironpony · Dec 13, 2017

If the army is in control could we call it a martial law sale? Just a joke.

Furious George · Dec 13, 2017

Abulg1972 said:
What? "[T]he Secretary of the Army shall transfer surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols described in paragraph (2) to the Corporation . . . in accordance with this section."

There is no discretion on the Army's part, and neither that section nor any other section conditions such mandated transfer on the Army's adoption of guidelines to be followed by the CMP once the pistols become the property of the CMP.

I'm not trying to be argumentative or stir up crap, and I realize that there is absolutely nothing any of us can do to change anything, but this is an interesting topic of discussion and I think it's important that we work with the facts.

36 U.S.C. § 40733 - U.S. Code - Patriotic and National Observances, Ceremonies, and Organizations § 40733. Applicability of other law

In general.--Except as provided in subsection (b), section 922(a)(1) -(3) and (5) of title 18 does not apply to the shipment, transportation, receipt, transfer, sale, issuance, loan, or delivery by the corporation, of an item that the corporation is authorized to issue, loan, sell, or receive under this chapter.

Exception.--With respect to firearms other than caliber .22 rimfire and caliber .30 rifles, the corporation shall obtain a license as a dealer in firearms and abide by all requirements imposed on persons licensed under chapter 44 of title 18, including maintaining acquisition and disposition records, and conducting background checks.

j_h_smith · Dec 13, 2017

Furious George said:
36 U.S.C. § 40733 - U.S. Code - Patriotic and National Observances, Ceremonies, and Organizations § 40733. Applicability of other law

In general.--Except as provided in subsection (b), section 922(a)(1) -(3) and (5) of title 18 does not apply to the shipment, transportation, receipt, transfer, sale, issuance, loan, or delivery by the corporation, of an item that the corporation is authorized to issue, loan, sell, or receive under this chapter.

Exception.--With respect to firearms other than caliber .22 rimfire and caliber .30 rifles, the corporation shall obtain a license as a dealer in firearms and abide by all requirements imposed on persons licensed under chapter 44 of title 18, including maintaining acquisition and disposition records, and conducting background checks.

Mic drop........

mac1_131 · Dec 13, 2017

John from MD said:
This is BS. The CMP is rolling over and becoming politically correct. Back in the sixties, we bought 1911's and 1903's and had them shipped directly to me. Collectors having an 03 FFL BY LAW are allowed to purchase and receive firearms through interstate commerce. Their position on the current crop of 1911's has made me decide to drop my support for the organization.

Yes and no.

C&R specifically says that all State laws must be followed. C&R does not override state law. Some states don't allow direct shipment of handguns to C&R licensees. Luckily, Maryland does.

So they don't want to have to deal with that difference from state to state.

I don't like it either, but when the SHTF over the government selling handguns to the public again, they want to have as much protection for the program as they possibly can.

I probably won't partake either. I don't have an HQL (not needed here) and don't really want to set up an e77r account either. I'll just wait for someone to flip one and use my C&R then.

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Engine4 · Dec 13, 2017

"Exception.--With respect to firearms other than caliber .22 rimfire and caliber .30 rifles, the corporation shall obtain a license as a dealer in firearms and abide by all requirements imposed on persons licensed under chapter 44 of title 18, including maintaining acquisition and disposition records, and conducting background checks."

We've already had background checks done as ffl03s.

Abulg1972 · Dec 13, 2017

j_h_smith said:
Mic drop........

Better pick it up. The quoted text just says that the CMP has to become an 01 FFL as a condition to shipping a pistol. Okay. Last time I checked, an 01 FFL can ship to an 03 FFL.

I’ll say it again, recognizing that it’s all academic at this point - the Act does not prohibit the CMP from shipping a pistol directly to an out of state 03 FFL.

Abulg1972 · Dec 13, 2017

mac1_131 said:
Yes and no.

C&R specifically says that all State laws must be followed. C&R does not override state law. Some states don't allow direct shipment of handguns to C&R licensees. Luckily, Maryland does.

So they don't want to have to deal with that difference from state to state.

I don't like it either, but when the SHTF over the government selling handguns to the public again, they want to have as much protection for the program as they possibly can.

I probably won't partake either. I don't have an HQL (not needed here) and don't really want to set up an e77r account either. I'll just wait for someone to flip one and use my C&R then.

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You don’t need an HQL to buy a M1911/1911A1.

Abulg1972 · Dec 13, 2017

mac1_131 said:
C&R specifically says that all State laws must be followed. C&R does not override state law. Some states don't allow direct shipment of handguns to C&R licensees. Luckily, Maryland does.

So they don't want to have to deal with that difference from state to state.

Sigh.

They already do this with rifle Sales to CA, NJ, NY, etc.

This is all “feel good” stuff.

Abulg1972 · Dec 13, 2017

John from MD said:
This is BS. The CMP is rolling over and becoming politically correct. Back in the sixties, we bought 1911's and 1903's and had them shipped directly to me. Collectors having an 03 FFL BY LAW are allowed to purchase and receive firearms through interstate commerce. Their position on the current crop of 1911's has made me decide to drop my support for the organization.

Yep. Mic drop.

Orlando · Dec 13, 2017

Cant believe people are inconvenienced by so little , Oh well just makes more to go around for people who appreciate what CMP is doing

Abulg1972 · Dec 13, 2017

Orlando said:
Cant believe people are inconvenienced by so little , Oh well just makes more to go around for people who appreciate what CMP is doing

You may not care about your Second Amendment rights. I do. We all should. They are slowly being whittled away. I find it so amusing that the CMP is basically a god. We are lucky to have it, they say. They are doing good work, they say. They are making Guns available to the masses, they say. The mods on that forum are 10 times worse.

All of us can currently buy a rattle trap mix-master M1911A1 for the price at which the CMP will sell these. It’s amazing to me that things sold by the CMP get elevated to gold ingot status.

I can’t help but notice that you didn’t acknowledge my prior post about the law requiring two NICS checks and an 01 FFL transfer.

iH8DemLibz · Dec 13, 2017

Abulg1972 said:
You may not care about your Second Amendment rights. I do. We all should. They are slowly being whittled away. I find it so amusing that the CMP is basically a god. We are lucky to have it, they say. They are doing good work, they say. They are making Guns available to the masses, they say.

All of us can currently buy a rattle trap mix-master M1911A1 for the price at which the what the CMP will sell these. It’s amazing to me that things sold by the CMP get elevated to gold ingot status.

I can’t help but notice that you didn’t acknowledge my prior post about the law requiring two NICS checks.

My e-mail to the CMP laid out most of what you just said.

I'm certain I'll get no reply.

j_h_smith · Dec 13, 2017

Orlando said:
Cant believe people are inconvenienced by so little , Oh well just makes more to go around for people who appreciate what CMP is doing

I'm out because I'm not a fan of the 1911. There.... I said it. I own one and have no reason to want to buy another.

Abulg1972 · Dec 13, 2017

iH8DemLibz said:
My e-mail to the CMP laid out most of what you just said.

I'm certain I'll get no reply.

I am so tired of the CMP apologists. And people who don’t know what the law says but profess to be experts.

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