What is your breaking point for a Revolution?

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  • BlackBart

    Banned
    BANNED!!!
    Mar 20, 2007
    31,609
    Conewago, York Co. Pa.
    I agree, but would it be the outright ban of firearms? The increase of taxes to the point of putting all citizens on a government dole? The restriction of travel? The "rationing" of information?

    The Fifth Amendment protects individuals from being forced to incriminate themselves. Incriminating oneself (or another person) is defined as exposing oneself to "an accusation or charge of crime," or as involving oneself (or another person) "in a criminal prosecution or the danger thereof." The privilege against compelled self-incrimination is defined as "the constitutional right of a person to refuse to answer questions or otherwise give testimony against himself or herself. To "plead the Fifth" is to refuse to answer any question because "the implications of the question, in the setting in which it is asked" lead a claimant to possess a "reasonable cause to apprehend danger from a direct answer", believing that "a responsive answer to the question or an explanation of why it cannot be answered might be dangerous because injurious disclosure could result.:innocent0

    This in no way would mean I would prevent someone exerting THEIR right for their civil liberties. The possibility exist that I might assist, cheer or comfort the patriot depending on what action he was taking and why. The REAL question is what exactly and when did Jefferson mean by watering his Liberty Tree with the blood of both tyrants and patriots and at what point?
     

    CPT_Ethanolic

    Member
    Sep 18, 2013
    27
    I find talk of "revolution" to be rather amusing. Even with WWII, Korea, Vietnam, the conflicts in South America, Iraq 1 and 2, and Afghanistan, I'm betting that still less than 1% of the US population has seen or served in a combat zone. It's easy to talk big and bad about "revolution" without realizing the reality of what that involves. The things that occur in combat are some of the most horrific in the human experience. I'm not a big fan of paying taxes or of many government oversteps but, seriously, if you know the reality of combat you understand that neither taxes nor government regulation comes even close to being bad enough to want the alternative. A revolution is a war - and a particularily bloody one at that.
     

    pwoolford

    AR15's make me :-)
    Jan 3, 2012
    4,186
    White Marsh
    Can't we all just get along? :D

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    Huckleberry

    No One of Consequence
    MDS Supporter
    Oct 19, 2007
    23,308
    Severn & Lewes
    I think Pete Townsend summed it up best, probably between the concerts, recreational drugs and dreaming of taking a hit off of Daltrey's meat missile, choad bong.

    We'll be fighting in the streets
    With our children at our feet
    And the morals that they worship will be gone
    And the men who spurred us on
    Sit in judgment of all wrong
    They decide and the shotgun sings the song

    I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
    Take a bow for the new revolution
    Smile and grin at the change all around me
    Pick up my guitar and play
    Just like yesterday
    And I'll get on my knees and pray
    We don't get fooled again
    Don't get fooled again

    Meet the new boss
    Same as the old boss
     

    Name Taken

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 23, 2010
    11,891
    Central
    I find talk of "revolution" to be rather amusing. Even with WWII, Korea, Vietnam, the conflicts in South America, Iraq 1 and 2, and Afghanistan, I'm betting that still less than 1% of the US population has seen or served in a combat zone. It's easy to talk big and bad about "revolution" without realizing the reality of what that involves. The things that occur in combat are some of the most horrific in the human experience. I'm not a big fan of paying taxes or of many government oversteps but, seriously, if you know the reality of combat you understand that neither taxes nor government regulation comes even close to being bad enough to want the alternative. A revolution is a war - and a particularily bloody one at that.

    Look at this guy coming in and throwing common sense around.

    A revolution at this point in society is funny. You'd need foot soldiers, supplies, an internet based attack, firearms, a true leader of men, and a ton of money or something that could substitute for money.

    You guys have fun thinking about your mental war zone and revolution. The rest of us will be playing in the real world today.
     

    jrumann59

    DILLIGAF
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 17, 2011
    14,024
    We are not there yet. The next revolution will be started under other reasons then the one we think. Due to any revolution will be fought in the court of public opinion right now "we" do not have the public's mind anything done will be spun to show "we" are responsible for the interruption in goods and services, food, gas, welfare benefits, etc. Ideally you would need the collapse of the liberal system to spur on change, you need the people on the system to give up hope so that a cause could give them hope again.
     

    jpo183

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 20, 2013
    4,116
    in Maryland
    ... any revolution will be fought in the court of public opinion. right now "we" do not have the public's mind ...

    ^^ Without public opinion and correct propaganda any revolutionist would be deemed an "extremist"

    "He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
    He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
    He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
    He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
    He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
    He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
    He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
    He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
    He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
    He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
    He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
    He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
    He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
    For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
    For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
    For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
    For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
    For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
    For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
    For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
    He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
    He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
    He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
    He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
    He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions."


    Don't think we are there yet. I see the beginning of a downward spiral but we still have methods, Constitutional Convention being one of them.

    Additionally, I do not see a revolution but a civil war, where States will split off again. Texas will lead it this time, so watch there?
     

    teratos

    My hair is amazing
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    Patriot Picket
    Jan 22, 2009
    59,775
    Bel Air
    :thumbsup:THIS. Personally I think the breaking point will be like porn. I'll know it when I see it. I don't see it yet, but I'm keeping my eyes open.:innocent0

    Agreed. I think we'll know it when we see it. I do not believe it will be a subtle hint....I think we will all have the same thought at the same moment in time. That seems to be the way most of these things have worked historically.
     

    Ragnar

    Ultimate Member
    May 7, 2013
    1,164
    Berkeley Springs, WV
    The two viable "revolutions" in American history--the revolutionary war and the revolt by the confederate states/civil war--both occurred only after the economic and political elite of the time decided they would support a violent, rebellious action. It was the rich and powerful of the time that financed the war and established the political infrastructure to support it. Think Bill Gates and John Boehner deciding they're ready for a violent action. We're not anywhere near that today.
     

    jrumann59

    DILLIGAF
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 17, 2011
    14,024
    Additionally, I do not see a revolution but a civil war, where States will split off again. Texas will lead it this time, so watch there?

    Now I could see some succession movements gaining traction but for it to be Texas it would have to be in the next 20 years or less they are getting a lot of liberals invading because of the jobs they "creating". Hell Google is building a big data center in San Antonio.
     

    CPT_Ethanolic

    Member
    Sep 18, 2013
    27
    Look at this guy coming in and throwing common sense around.

    A revolution at this point in society is funny. You'd need foot soldiers, supplies, an internet based attack, firearms, a true leader of men, and a ton of money or something that could substitute for money.

    You guys have fun thinking about your mental war zone and revolution. The rest of us will be playing in the real world today.

    Ha - yea, I even wasn't considering the logistical aspects. I've seen trained combat medics almost pass out the first time they saw a soldier with a double leg amputation. Seeing casualities alone would take 50% of the US population out of any fight. And over here in Afghanistan we're fighting an enemy that is better armed and better trained than just about anyone in the US and who has been actively fighting for generations. Ask them how they stand up against the NATO/ISAF forces - there's a reason they don't engage us with small arms fire. The preper with his AR15 and a few thousand rounds up in the hills will last a fraction of the time even the Afghans last should the US government decide to fight back. Talking about an "armed revolution" is nonsense from Budweiser bad-asses.
     

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