HQL question about applying

hillbilly grandpa said:

MSP has belatedly discovered the 21st century. At light speed they then raced forward to update their server capabilities to be compatible with browsers in addition to IE. When I applied I was limited to that single one. In conversations with Cpl. Adkins, he confirmed that they have proudly embraced diversity. Seems everybody wants get on the bandwagon.

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However in embracing new technology they have disenfranchised those that do not have access to or choose not to use "technology". There is no way to apply without using the improved high tech solutions so if you use pen and paper, snail mail, and checks or cash you are denied your rights.

Why isn't the NAACP up in arms about this? It's discrimination and it affects many of their members who can hardly afford to feed their children let alone buy a computer.

John from MD said:

Why isn't the NAACP up in arms about this? It's discrimination and it affects many of their members who can hardly afford to feed their children let alone buy a computer.

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After reading the thread I went and looked at the MSP website just to see what was happening.
I guess if I walked into a barracks looking for help Id just get pulled over once a month again.
What ever happened to that online training thing they used a few years back?

I'm talking about the one with the policeman's association or whatever it was insignia in the header area that they had everyone train up on. Anybody remember that one?
What the hell exactly was that? I cant remember but it was like some sort of cartoon graphic.

Doco Overboard said:

After reading the thread I went and looked at the MSP website just to see what was happening.
I guess if I walked into a barracks looking for help Id just get pulled over once a month again.
What ever happened to that online training thing they used a few years back?

I'm talking about the one with the policeman's association or whatever it was insignia in the header area that they had everyone train up on. Anybody remember that one?
What the hell exactly was that? I cant remember but it was like some sort of cartoon graphic.

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I think you are talking about the training video that you had to take prior to buying a handgun. FSA 2013 did away with that with the advent of HQL training.

Thats it.... I found a copy of it in my three ring. I guess the finger printing is still on with prior purchase before the online training and 2013 FSA ? Must be a money thing or just an intentional road block because I cant figure out how that helps unless I'm missing something but I haven't thought about it much til now.

Thanks

Yea, that sounds about right. I am about to give in and get the damned HQL. From what I have read, most people who need the training get the fingerprints at the same time. Some of the people who teach the course also help with the application.

Blacksmith101 said:

However in embracing new technology they have disenfranchised those that do not have access to or choose not to use "technology". There is no way to apply without using the improved high tech solutions so if you use pen and paper, snail mail, and checks or cash you are denied your rights.

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I’ve worked with diasadvantaged populations in the past. This stuff can sometimes make it harder for them.

However, most of the poor aren’t the elderly. Most of them still have a smart phone, which is how they interact with the wider world, look for jobs, etc. a cheap android phone and a basic cell plan aren’t that expensive and at least until not that long ago, the FCC was partially susbsidizing on a needs basis ($10 a month is what they covered). I believe under the new administration they’ve announced doing away with covering cell phone plans IIRC.

Most people who are poor (again other than the elderly), probably wouldn’t know how to fill out a check.

It still impacts the elderly potentially.

For both populations there is also still libraries and other free ways to access the interwebz, web banking, etc. Many of them also use prepaid credit and debit cards.

The financial piece of the training, finger printing and permit is what I have a much larger issue with, not access issues (as that is honestly an impediment for a very, very tiny minority of actual or potential handgun owners/buyers).

Some of them use their smartphones for meet ups at Mondawmin to burn and loot or Facebook live to beat up mentally challenged people

they understand technology just fine

lazarus said:

I’ve worked with diasadvantaged populations in the past. This stuff can sometimes make it harder for them.

However, most of the poor aren’t the elderly. Most of them still have a smart phone, which is how they interact with the wider world, look for jobs, etc. a cheap android phone and a basic cell plan aren’t that expensive and at least until not that long ago, the FCC was partially susbsidizing on a needs basis ($10 a month is what they covered). I believe under the new administration they’ve announced doing away with covering cell phone plans IIRC.

Most people who are poor (again other than the elderly), probably wouldn’t know how to fill out a check.

It still impacts the elderly potentially.

For both populations there is also still libraries and other free ways to access the interwebz, web banking, etc. Many of them also use prepaid credit and debit cards.

The financial piece of the training, finger printing and permit is what I have a much larger issue with, not access issues (as that is honestly an impediment for a very, very tiny minority of actual or potential handgun owners/buyers).

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What size group of "....potential handgun owners/buyers)." is it OK to impede? Intentional impediments of a RIGHT either financial, technological, or other (transportation, access to a range, or lack of information) is equally odious no matter which minority or how many people are denied their rights.

Blacksmith101 said:

What size group of "....potential handgun owners/buyers)." is it OK to impede? Intentional impediments of a RIGHT either financial, technological, or other (transportation, access to a range, or lack of information) is equally odious no matter which minority or how many people are denied their rights.

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^ THIS

Blacksmith101 said:

What size group of "....potential handgun owners/buyers)." is it OK to impede? Intentional impediments of a RIGHT either financial, technological, or other (transportation, access to a range, or lack of information) is equally odious no matter which minority or how many people are denied their rights.

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What size group of “...potential voters” is it okay to impede? Many states seem to think it is no big deal to throw up
Impediments for minorities and the poor to vote.

I don’t disagree, any impediments to the exercise of any rights is bad and shouldn’t be done. But a lot of people will say on the one hand a right I like can’t be touched, but a right I don’t want some other people using or I don’t care about can be restricted. Not saying you guys are saying that at all. I’d hope MSP has alternate means of applying through paper for those who can’t do it online. The HQL itself is an infringement. I’ll have a lot more heartburn over that and the infringements and restrictions on exercising a right that it causes then the handful of people impacted by “electronic only” application process. At least that likely saves tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of dollars for the state (who is us, the tax payers) and also likely speeds processing times by days if not weeks.

On the Mall bit, yeah, a few malcontents (even if you say it was a thousand people, there are 600k+ in Baltimore city and a very large percentage are poor, which means maybe 1% or maybe more like a half a percent or less choose to riot). Most Baltimorons, I mean Baltimoreans are decent law abiding citizens. Even the poor ones. Doesn’t make me like the rioters, but I also don’t tar every poor Baltimore person with the same brush.

I don't believe MSP has any other method for the HQL application other than on line. Funny because W&C permit app is paper only.

Go figure

I did it with a Mac running Chrome. I think I had to do by starting at the main page for the MSP and working my way through the links. When I tried using the link my trainer had given me I had problems.