MoCo cop smashed window, shot driver

pwoolford · Jan 10, 2018

eruby said:
weeping

Concurs

clandestine · Jan 10, 2018

I like this Takedown myself.

https://m.liveleak.com/view?i=42a_1515546811

Boondock Saint · Jan 10, 2018

clandestine said:
I like this Takedown myself.

https://m.liveleak.com/view?i=42a_1515546811

Two things here:

1) I'm damn impressed that that officer managed to draw from a driver's seat and get shots on target inside of six seconds after being rammed like that.

2) What the hell did the guy say? The "...ahhAHHHhhhh" as he collapsed was funny as shit. :rofl:

gtodave · Jan 10, 2018

Boondock Saint said:
2) What the hell did the guy say? The "...ahhAHHHhhhh" as he collapsed was funny as shit.

Milfred's booty?

My French Poodle?

kalister1 · Jan 10, 2018

pbharvey said:
Problem solved: Glock magazine window breaker thingy

That will teach you to SLIDE,,,,,, the magazine in carefully!

smokey · Jan 10, 2018

These little keychain doodads are cheap and effective. It did say the officer was first on scene as the escalade was actively using their vehicle as a weapon against the other driver. The officer's gun was drawn, I'm guessing, out of fear the escalade would continue using the vehicle as a weapon against the LEO or others. Since the gun was in his hands, it was probably instinctive to just smash the window with it in a hurry rather than having the luxury of time to grab for anything else.

One thing is for sure, going in by himself and attempting to gain entry into an aggressive vehicle was putting the officer in a pretty good amount of danger. He wouldn't have a clear vantage point of if the driver had any concealed weapon and could have been ran over/dragged if he attempted to go in to the car. I'm assuming he wouldn't have put himself in the danger of gaining entry if he could have just stood back and barked orders with gun drawn on the driver. This is one case that is highly situationally dependent on if his actions were justified or not.

The bodycam footage can tell a lot of the story that's being left out.

As for rifle entry, this is interesting....

redeemed.man · Jan 10, 2018

j_h_smith said:
Where is Blaster when we need him?

Enjoying ice cold beer best I can tell from Facebook, LMFAO

j_h_smith · Jan 10, 2018

pbharvey said:
Problem solved: Glock magazine window breaker thingy

That would make for a nice head cracker too.

outrider58 · Jan 10, 2018

You have to ask yourself, all kidding aside, why was be trying to 'break' the window with the crown of his barrel. Easy answer: He wasn't.

He F'd up.

PapiBarcelona · Jan 10, 2018

armed_economist said:
"Under a recent agreement between the counties, prosecutors in one county review police-involved shootings in the other county. The agreement is meant to guard against perceived conflicts of interests because police and prosecutors work so closely within their own jurisdictions."

Is this a common practice nationwide?

LOL Probably more than 1 reason for this that you might need a roll of tin foil for.

I think prosecutors are "at will" employees,
not your average typical hard to remove from the job for doing nothing wrong local .gov employee.

With that said, it's sounds like a good way not to show bias for the next round of appointed/elected people to finger point and remove them from the job, ie they get a little more leverage to keep their jobs.

StantonCree · Jan 10, 2018

outrider58 said:
You have to ask yourself, all kidding aside, why was be trying to 'break' the window with the crown of his barrel. Easy answer: He wasn't.

He F'd up.

It's been done 1000 times and despite all these stupid opinions in this thread.......it works.

Are there better/ more responsible tools......of course

But glocks can and do break windows

j_h_smith · Jan 10, 2018

mpdc4511 said:
It's been done 1000 times and despite all these stupid opinions in this thread.......it works.

Are there better/ more responsible tools......of course

But glocks can and do break windows

Stupid opinions? No such thing. Stating facts that aren't facts, now that's stupid.

whistlersmother · Jan 10, 2018

So... Glocks do windows... Is there anything a Glock can't do?

I'd like to know why the officer was attempting to break the window in the first place.

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danb · Jan 10, 2018

Glocks can break windows, rocks can break windows, tire irons can also break windows.

Whether it is responsible, appropriate, negligent, or even criminal to do so is another question.

StantonCree · Jan 10, 2018

j_h_smith said:
Stupid opinions? No such thing. Stating facts that aren't facts, now that's stupid.

Sigh

StantonCree · Jan 10, 2018

danb said:
Glocks can break windows, rocks can break windows, tire irons can also break windows.

Whether it is responsible, appropriate, negligent, or even criminal to do so is another question.

Again, way better tools, I'll agree, but sometimes you just gotta go with what ya got.

An independent SA declined charges so there are probably some mitigating factors that aren't being dropped in detail.

welder516 · Jan 10, 2018

Bring a Gun to a Hammer fight and look what happens .

Rich1911 · Jan 10, 2018

mpdc4511 said:
It's been done 1000 times and despite all these stupid opinions in this thread.......it works.

Are there better/ more responsible tools......of course

But glocks can and do break windows

especially when your finger is on the trigger....

smokey · Jan 10, 2018

mpdc4511 said:
Again, way better tools, I'll agree, but sometimes you just gotta go with what ya got.

An independent SA declined charges so there are probably some mitigating factors that aren't being dropped in detail.

A driver that rams into a car because they think that driver is blocking their path is probably dumb enough to keep their foot on the gas when an officer shows up. It's easy to imagine a situation in which the car was continuing to present a threat, so the officer quickly smacks the window out with the gun(because they may not have had the luxury of time to reach for another object but the gun was already in his hands), to pop the door from the inside, and drag the driver out/whatever the situation required.

The discharge may have been an oopsie, but it doesn't mean the officer's action are criminal. Given the situation, the officer's actions could be EASY to justify.

fabsroman · Jan 17, 2018

smokey0118 said:
A driver that rams into a car because they think that driver is blocking their path is probably dumb enough to keep their foot on the gas when an officer shows up. It's easy to imagine a situation in which the car was continuing to present a threat, so the officer quickly smacks the window out with the gun(because they may not have had the luxury of time to reach for another object but the gun was already in his hands), to pop the door from the inside, and drag the driver out/whatever the situation required.

The discharge may have been an oopsie, but it doesn't mean the officer's action are criminal. Given the situation, the officer's actions could be EASY to justify.

There is nothing in that article that says the person driving the Escalade actually rammed the Camry, other than that is what the 911 caller said. We just went through a thread where a 911 caller said he shot his father to death and he was holding his mother and sister hostage, which was completely false. The driver of the Escalade was not charged with a crime whatsoever. So, the driver of the Escalade could not have been doing something that God awful.

Like most news stories nowadays, a lot of the facts, if not all of the facts, are missing. Luckily, there is body camera footage that shows this was an accidental shooting. Whether it amounts to gross negligence such that the Escalade driver can recover under a civil suit remains to be seen. Eventually the majority of the evidence will be known by an attorney, but it will probably never be known to us unless this actually goes to trial and we happen to be on the jury.

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