SB 8 Computer-Aided Firearm Fabrication

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    My hair is amazing
    MDS Supporter
    Patriot Picket
    Jan 22, 2009
    59,775
    Bel Air
    So does an 80% and possession of a CNC milling machine equal constructive possession?

    Sometimes I wonder if politicians just don't know anything of what they try to legislate. Then they open their mouths and I know for sure.

    And just how in hell can anyone tell if a firearm completed from an 80% kit was finished with a hand router or a CNC mill?

    It would not, because it is a paper weight until you perform the first operation to finish it.
    So, is this a ban on most production guns? LOL

    No, there is a line exempting licensed firearm manufacturers.
     

    MJD438

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 28, 2012
    5,849
    Somewhere in MD
    I wonder what they'll classify as a "computer"?

    Here you go
    24 (4) (i) “Computer” means an electronic, magnetic, optical, organic, or
    25 other data processing device or system that performs logical, arithmetic, memory, or
    26 storage functions.
    27 (ii) “Computer” includes property, a data storage facility, or a
    28 communications facility that is directly related to or operated with a computer.
    29 (iii) “Computer” does not include an automated typewriter, a
    30 typesetter, or a portable calculator.
    Existing law in 7-302 of the Criminal Law article included without changes in this bill.
     

    MigraineMan

    Ultimate Member
    Jun 9, 2011
    19,109
    Frederick County
    A DRO on a manual mill qualifies as a "computer." It can remember one or more setpoints, and can compute "half" of the current readout for centering operations. Many do much more 'rithmatic.
     

    pbharvey

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    Dec 27, 2012
    30,158
    May as well throw in reloading as well. Those people who manufacture their own untraceable ammunition using computerized scales.
     

    ShafTed

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 21, 2013
    2,214
    Juuuuust over the line
    Quote:
    24 (4) (i) “Computer” means an electronic, magnetic, optical, organic, or
    25 other data processing device or system that performs logical, arithmetic, memory, or
    26 storage functions.
    27 (ii) “Computer” includes property, a data storage facility, or a
    28 communications facility that is directly related to or operated with a computer.
    29 (iii) “Computer” does not include an automated typewriter, a
    30 typesetter, or a portable calculator.

    They have finally come up with a way to outlaw even THINKING about a gun in Maryland!
     

    Pinecone

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 4, 2013
    28,175
    Doesn't say "completed." Your CNC-machined-from-billet 80% lower that you finished by scraping on the curb and bashing with a rock is:

    - A FIREARM MANUFACTURED USING A COMPUTER–AIDED FABRICATION DEVICE.

    No, it wasn't a firearm at that point.

    YOU made it a firearm by going beyond 80%.
     

    Pinecone

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 4, 2013
    28,175
    Here you go

    Existing law in 7-302 of the Criminal Law article included without changes in this bill.

    4) (i) “Computer” means an electronic, magnetic, optical, organic, or
    25 other data processing device or system that performs logical, arithmetic, memory, or
    26 storage functions.

    Hmm, so MD is banning human brains.
     

    KJackson

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    Apr 3, 2017
    8,614
    Carroll County
    So, is this a ban on most production guns? LOL

    No. The law does not apply to manufacturers with a federal license.

    THIS SUBTITLE DOES NOT APPLY TO:
    15 (1) THE MANUFACTURE OR POSSESSION OF A FIREARM:
    16 (I) FOR TESTING OR EXPERIMENTATION AUTHORIZED BY THE
    17 SECRETARY OF STATE POLICE OR THE SECRETARY’S DESIGNEE; OR
    18 (II) BY A FEDERALLY LICENSED GUN MANUFACTURER; OR
    19 (2) THE POSSESSION OF A FIREARM MANUFACTURED BY A
    20 FEDERALLY LICENSED GUN MANUFACTURER.
     

    Rab1515

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    Patriot Picket
    Apr 29, 2014
    2,081
    Calvert
    No. The law does not apply to manufacturers with a federal license.

    THIS SUBTITLE DOES NOT APPLY TO:
    15 (1) THE MANUFACTURE OR POSSESSION OF A FIREARM:
    16 (I) FOR TESTING OR EXPERIMENTATION AUTHORIZED BY THE
    17 SECRETARY OF STATE POLICE OR THE SECRETARY’S DESIGNEE; OR
    18 (II) BY A FEDERALLY LICENSED GUN MANUFACTURER; OR
    19 (2) THE POSSESSION OF A FIREARM MANUFACTURED BY A
    20 FEDERALLY LICENSED GUN MANUFACTURER.

    So it bans every imported gun.
     

    DaemonAssassin

    Why should we Free BSD?
    Jun 14, 2012
    23,970
    Political refugee in WV
    No. The law does not apply to manufacturers with a federal license.

    THIS SUBTITLE DOES NOT APPLY TO:
    15 (1) THE MANUFACTURE OR POSSESSION OF A FIREARM:
    16 (I) FOR TESTING OR EXPERIMENTATION AUTHORIZED BY THE
    17 SECRETARY OF STATE POLICE OR THE SECRETARY’S DESIGNEE; OR
    18 (II) BY A FEDERALLY LICENSED GUN MANUFACTURER; OR
    19 (2) THE POSSESSION OF A FIREARM MANUFACTURED BY A
    20 FEDERALLY LICENSED GUN MANUFACTURER.

    Is it me or do I see an easy way to deal with this load of bull, by abiding by the law? :innocent0
     

    ironpony

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    MDS Supporter
    Jun 8, 2013
    7,191
    Davidsonville
    Is it me or do I see an easy way to deal with this load of bull, by abiding by the law? :innocent0
    By getting an FFL? IIRC there is some type of fee, maybe $2K (manufacturer), might be to do with ITAR ... off the top of my head?


    If one were to get the gunsmith FFL could they then get my 81% up and running smoothly? Legally that is. No need to answer DA, If "they" are reading this they will come up with more crap they know nothing about.
     

    MigraineMan

    Ultimate Member
    Jun 9, 2011
    19,109
    Frederick County
    No, it wasn't a firearm at that point.

    YOU made it a firearm by going beyond 80%.

    I understand that the object transitioned from "inert lump" to "firearm" once additional machining was performed. However, in the manufacturing process, CNC equipment was used. You can try to argue that "all those machining processes performed in the first 79% of manufacturing aren't technically manufacturing."

    But I'm going to point you at the BATFE's perspective, and ask you to consider if you think you could make that stick in front of twelve of your neighbors.
    Because “manufacturing” is not defined by the GCA, courts have relied on the ordinary meaning of the word, including actions to “make a product suitable for use.” See, e.g., Broughman v. Carver, 624 F.3d 670, 675 (4th Cir. 2010)
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    mac1_131

    MSI Executive Member
    MDS Supporter
    Jan 31, 2009
    3,280
    My opinion of the MGA is at an all time low. They can't even write a proper bill to ban something anymore.

    MGA, you suck. Just go home.

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    jkeys

    Active Member
    Jan 30, 2013
    665
    Let's stop poking holes in this bill and helping the legislature learn the weak points. I don't even think we should testify against it. Let this ******** pass as is so it is easier to get it thrown out in court.
     
    May 13, 2005
    2,769
    Let's stop poking holes in this bill and helping the legislature learn the weak points. I don't even think we should testify against it. Let this ******** pass as is so it is easier to get it thrown out in court.

    Yeah, because there are so many gun laws that have been overturned once they passed in MD.
     

    Rockzilla

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    Feb 6, 2010
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    one other ?? if "we" are in jail or prison, whom will be left in this
    "great" state to 1.) Pay taxes, 2.) for us to be Incarcerated, 3.) build
    prisons to hold us all.? Got a great idea put all us in prison let out
    everyone else, let's see how Merryland will function. or take a county
    "build a wall" put us all in it. like "walking dead"...hmmm.

    -Rock
     

    85MikeTPI

    Ultimate Member
    Jul 19, 2014
    2,699
    Ceciltucky
    Everything will be plead down just enough so you will be out of jail and can still work while still making sure that everyone becomes a prohibited person

    one other ?? if "we" are in jail or prison, whom will be left in this
    "great" state to 1.) Pay taxes, 2.) for us to be Incarcerated, 3.) build
    prisons to hold us all.? Got a great idea put all us in prison let out
    everyone else, let's see how Merryland will function. or take a county
    "build a wall" put us all in it. like "walking dead"...hmmm.

    -Rock
     

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