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  • psucobra96

    Ultimate Member
    Jun 20, 2011
    4,698
    We’re going to have to oppose this bill hard. Point out it won’t pass constitutional muster and we need to focus on areas that go after criminals, not law abiding voters.

    This law would ban most all magazines in Maryland for both handguns and rifles. Most liberals who wont admit they own a handgun will be the exact type that won’t know of changes in the law. Not to mention the fact that even if you get rid of all the ones you think you had, what happens to the one you accidentally forgot in the back of the closet. The proposed penalties are a joke for possession of a piece of plastic.

    Further it means people passing through the state with their collection would be in violation just driving through.
     

    danb

    dont be a dumbass
    Feb 24, 2013
    22,704
    google is your friend, I am not.
    Ramirez wants to lock up gun owners but not repeat offenders or violently mentally ill. Hes a socialist, so its not surprising he wants to punish everyone for the problems of a few. Rather tham just dealing with the few.
     

    danb

    dont be a dumbass
    Feb 24, 2013
    22,704
    google is your friend, I am not.
    Honestly I dont think todays tragedy changes the calculus of this bill one iota. This is mostly about showboating and positioning for the mid term races, and the primary in the MD gov race. Delegates inclined to support it already signed on. The rest in competitive races will be leery of veering from taxes and economic issues, mindful that Anthony Ar15s-in-schoolyards Brown lost. The rampant murder problem in Baltimore is a repeat offender problem, not an infinite capacity clipazine problem. Its also a Baltimore problem. Not a Howard, Montgomery, or Baltimore County problem. They could not get this in 2013 when the shock value was higher. The evil black rifle the FL shooter used is banned in MD. whew! Plus, now we have a CA appellate ruling in our favor that also calls out Daniel Webster for the propagandist he his.

    Of course they will leverage tears all they can, because thats the only argument they have. Facts and logic are irrelevant. But I dont think it changes the calculus much.
     

    danimalw

    Ultimate Member
    Lets get some of the good legislators to introduce a bill that would criminalize the sponsoring and passing of an unconstitutional bill (especially one that obviously is a back door to attempt to circumvent the US Constitution.

    Our founding Fathers didn't trust the government and they WERE the government, what does that say about government?!?!
     

    Rabu Rabu

    Operatoroperatoroperator
    Sep 10, 2012
    333
    Cambridge, MD
    Honestly I dont think todays tragedy changes the calculus of this bill one iota. This is mostly about showboating and positioning for the mid term races, and the primary in the MD gov race. Delegates inclined to support it already signed on. The rest in competitive races will be leery of veering from taxes and economic issues, mindful that Anthony Ar15s-in-schoolyards Brown lost. The rampant murder problem in Baltimore is a repeat offender problem, not an infinite capacity clipazine problem. Its also a Baltimore problem. Not a Howard, Montgomery, or Baltimore County problem. They could not get this in 2013 when the shock value was higher. The evil black rifle the FL shooter used is banned in MD. whew! Plus, now we have a CA appellate ruling in our favor that also calls out Daniel Webster for the propagandist he his.

    Of course they will leverage tears all they can, because thats the only argument they have. Facts and logic are irrelevant. But I dont think it changes the calculus much.

    I'm in agreement here, they're just trying to call Hogan's hand. If posession was on their radar they'd have gotten it into FSA 2013.
     

    lazarus

    Ultimate Member
    Jun 23, 2015
    13,678
    Honestly I dont think todays tragedy changes the calculus of this bill one iota. This is mostly about showboating and positioning for the mid term races, and the primary in the MD gov race. Delegates inclined to support it already signed on. The rest in competitive races will be leery of veering from taxes and economic issues, mindful that Anthony Ar15s-in-schoolyards Brown lost. The rampant murder problem in Baltimore is a repeat offender problem, not an infinite capacity clipazine problem. Its also a Baltimore problem. Not a Howard, Montgomery, or Baltimore County problem. They could not get this in 2013 when the shock value was higher. The evil black rifle the FL shooter used is banned in MD. whew! Plus, now we have a CA appellate ruling in our favor that also calls out Daniel Webster for the propagandist he his.

    Of course they will leverage tears all they can, because thats the only argument they have. Facts and logic are irrelevant. But I dont think it changes the calculus much.

    I read someone’s (not on here!) comment that made my head hurt on how Australia banned multi clip capacity semiautomatic assault guns and they haven’t had a mass shooting since multi clip capacity assault guns were banned, seized and destroyed.

    I don’t engage stupid, but beyond oi vey level of comment...Aussie’s didn’t ban all semiautos, just severely restricted them. And their murder rate was already trending down and the firearm related murder rate didn’t suddenly plummet, it followed the same trend line down. Oh and now there are more guns in Aussie land today than there were before Port Arthur AND the per capita ownership rate is slowly increasing in top of that.

    US violent crime rate is also generally going down. I think 2017 was the first year it appears to have gone up and 1 year isn’t a trend.

    MD’s has gone up a lot since 2013 false security act was passed.
     

    danb

    dont be a dumbass
    Feb 24, 2013
    22,704
    google is your friend, I am not.
    I read someone’s (not on here!) comment that made my head hurt on how Australia banned multi clip capacity semiautomatic assault guns and they haven’t had a mass shooting since multi clip capacity assault guns were banned, seized and destroyed.

    I don’t engage stupid, but beyond oi vey level of comment...Aussie’s didn’t ban all semiautos, just severely restricted them. And their murder rate was already trending down and the firearm related murder rate didn’t suddenly plummet, it followed the same trend line down. Oh and now there are more guns in Aussie land today than there were before Port Arthur AND the per capita ownership rate is slowly increasing in top of that.

    US violent crime rate is also generally going down. I think 2017 was the first year it appears to have gone up and 1 year isn’t a trend.

    MD’s has gone up a lot since 2013 false security act was passed.

    Also: it did NOT reduce mass murder. Australia is a small country, about 25 million people. They have had a number of massacres like one where an arsonist killed 11 people in a nursing home in 2011.

    Australia has the same rate of mass murder as the US, once you scale it for population (once every six years is about the same as once per year here). The mechanism of mass murder, like suicide, seems to be a cultural thing.
     

    chooks9

    Bear with Arms
    Jan 3, 2013
    1,155
    Abingdon
    On 1), the ex post facto prohibition only applies if they tried to charge you with illegal possession after the law passed on the basis of having possessed magazines BEFORE the law passed. But they can indeed charge you with illegal possession if the law passes and you continue to possess the magazines. It wouldn't matter when you purchased them, since it's the possession, not the purchase, that's the crime. Grandfathering is often politically expedient but isn't necessary to avoid running afoul of ex post facto.

    On 2), I think it might be tough to make a 5th amendment claim. The property isn't being taken for public use, and if the law passes, the property is not legally held.

    IANAL, and would certainly be interested in hearing other perspectives on this. Particularly other precedents of an item being banned without grandfathering or compensation.

    So in your case, the government can make it illegal to own a book that the collective group/ruling party does not like (something else protected under the Constitution), and can freely make criminals of whomever owns said book as a result? That is a textbook case of Tyranny, even if that's the intent or not.

    If that was the case, make being an illegal immigrant illegal and charge/deport anyone who's here illegally. Oh wait....not in their narrative/agenda.
     

    Adolph Oliver Bush

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    Patriot Picket
    Dec 13, 2015
    1,940
    News reports today indicate that the FBI had two reports about this guy but did not alert local LEOs. This guy had a known history, including "disturbing", according to cartoon news network, social media posts.

    The fact that he was a known whacko news needs to be driven home by everyone who testifies or writes their legiscritter.

    And good point about gun crime in bodymorgue being routinely committed with fewer than 10 rounds. Drive that point home too.
     

    danb

    dont be a dumbass
    Feb 24, 2013
    22,704
    google is your friend, I am not.
    Repeat Offender... repeat offender.....

    with a low capacity revolver.

    whew!!

    SSDD on the Baltimore Police Facepalm page

    Thank god the Baltimore delegation is offering real solutions. :sarcasm:

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    Bikebreath

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    MDS Supporter
    Jun 30, 2009
    14,836
    in the bowels of Baltimore
    I read this entire thread hoping the topic of police being held to the same standards as citizens. The PD is not a higher station than us. Won’t that mean a magazine compliance for the BPD? That expense would be exorbitant!
     

    Doctor_M

    Certified Mad Scientist
    MDS Supporter
    I read this entire thread hoping the topic of police being held to the same standards as citizens. The PD is not a higher station than us. Won’t that mean a magazine compliance for the BPD? That expense would be exorbitant!

    Whenever I hear the "where do you draw the line" straw-man argument (i.e., do we let people own machine guns, hand-grenades, tanks, nuclear weapons), I use the "government force" retort. In order to defend against tyranny and government oppression, private citizens should be allowed to own and use whatever weaponry the government could reasonably be expected to use against private citizens. If we ban private citizens from owning 10+round magazines, then the same restrictions should apply to government enforcers, IMHO.
     

    Mark75H

    MD Wear&Carry Instructor
    Industry Partner
    MDS Supporter
    Sep 25, 2011
    17,174
    Outside the Gates
    Whenever I hear the "where do you draw the line" straw-man argument (i.e., do we let people own machine guns, hand-grenades, tanks, nuclear weapons), I use the "government force" retort. In order to defend against tyranny and government oppression, private citizens should be allowed to own and use whatever weaponry the government could reasonably be expected to use against private citizens. If we ban private citizens from owning 10+round magazines, then the same restrictions should apply to government enforcers, IMHO.

    Unforunately this argument doesn't make sense to those who mistakenly think 2A applies to hunting equipment.
     

    Schipperke

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 19, 2013
    18,540
    SB1062, Weapon Crimes - Detachable Magazines and Regulated Firearms - Possession

    Testimony 2/22 1pm
     

    Zorros

    Ultimate Member
    Dec 10, 2017
    1,407
    Metropolis
    My knee jerk reaction is eyeball what they are doing in calif to figure out what will eventually become law in maryland. The dems’ approach is long term. If not 2018, then later. They just want to tell their voters they did “ something” to those bad guns and bad guns people.
     

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