Hi-Cap Magazine Now 4th Degree Felony in New Jersey

Stoveman said:

Really? MD knows how many >10 rd mags you may own? Do tell.

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I think it’s more speculative. If anyone bought a Glock 17 before 2013. That person had to submit a single round fired from that weapon. And I’m sure they know who bought that glock 17. As well as were to go to find it. On top of that they probably know a glock 17 magazine holds more than 10 rounds. So I don’t think they know about all the mags I bought in Delaware or Virginia, but they probably know what’s in my collection...


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Certainly not justification to swear out a warrant, given that folks can always buy 10 rounders, pin existing standard capacity mags, and/or move, gift, or sell them out of state before compliance date. All the state would have evidence of is ownership of a regulated arm that could accept a higher than 10 round mag... not actual continued posession of higher cap mags themselves.

I'm just going to set this here...

Doctor_M said:

Certainly not justification to swear out a warrant, given that folks can always buy 10 rounders, pin existing standard capacity mags, and/or move, gift, or sell them out of state before compliance date. All the state would have evidence of is ownership of a regulated arm that could accept a higher than 10 round mag... not actual continued posession of higher cap mags themselves.

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I think you are optimistic to think a warrant won't be granted in the future.

The 4A will fall along with the 2A under the guise of public safety.

I think we'll see arbitrary searches, deemed constitutional, on the evidence that you own a firearm that did or could potentially accept a mag over n rounds.

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whistlersmother said:

I think you are optimistic to think a warrant won't be granted in the future.

The 4A will fall along with the 2A under the guise of public safety.

I think we'll see arbitrary searches, deemed constitutional, on the evidence that you own a firearm that did or could potentially accept a mag over n rounds.

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2 searches come up empty and a class action suit gets filed on behalf of all MD gun owners. Would be Frosh's worst nightmare, even he understands not to do that. Moon, however ...

whistlersmother said:

I think you are optimistic to think a warrant won't be granted in the future.

The 4A will fall along with the 2A under the guise of public safety.

I think we'll see arbitrary searches, deemed constitutional, on the evidence that you own a firearm that did or could potentially accept a mag over n rounds.

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100% where I see this going.

whistlersmother said:

I think you are optimistic to think a warrant won't be granted in the future.

The 4A will fall along with the 2A under the guise of public safety.

I think we'll see arbitrary searches, deemed constitutional, on the evidence that you own a firearm that did or could potentially accept a mag over n rounds.

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You may be correct, but in that case it makes no sense to comply, since you will always be assumed guilty of hiding other contraband that you didn't turn in. No gun owner will ever be deemed innocent. And that will be the end of liberty as we know it.

Doctor_M said:

You may be correct, but in that case it makes no sense to comply, since you will always be assumed guilty of hiding other contraband that you didn't turn in. No gun owner will ever be deemed innocent. And that will be the end of liberty as we know it.

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Yes, I didn't mention anything about "to comply". If and when is more of a personal tactical decision.

Maybe my view is tainted, having just read "Gun Control in the Third Reich", but I see many parallels in tactics and reasoning. We would be foolish not to look at history to understand where similar reasoning could lead to.

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Occam said:

So, this particular county prosecutor says: off duty cops are subject to this, as well. Wheeeee!

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This set off SCREAMS OF AGONY on Twitter last night. My answer?

How does it feel to be a citizen like us for a change?

whistlersmother said:

I think you are optimistic to think a warrant won't be granted in the future.

The 4A will fall along with the 2A under the guise of public safety.

I think we'll see arbitrary searches, deemed constitutional, on the evidence that you own a firearm that did or could potentially accept a mag over n rounds.

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It's already happened. See Red Flag Law.

BeoBill said:

It's already happened. See Red Flag Law.

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Right now its reactive. I can foresee police
proactive scanning of the 77R database, then searching without any other reason than "you're on the list".

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Rob00taws6 said:

I think it’s more speculative. If anyone bought a Glock 17 before 2013. That person had to submit a single round fired from that weapon. And I’m sure they know who bought that glock 17. As well as were to go to find it. On top of that they probably know a glock 17 magazine holds more than 10 rounds. So I don’t think they know about all the mags I bought in Delaware or Virginia, but they probably know what’s in my collection...


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Part of the reason the law was nixed was they never got funded to put the rounds in a computer database. The "fired rounds" were reportedly stored uncatalogued in 55 gallon buckets for years.

Short of firearms that are "shipped with" +n round magazines, the answer is pretty simple...

Pay cash and don't use rewards cards, if you really feel a need to stay under the radar. False moustache and glasses optional.

MD has a firearm enforcement squad that focuses strictly on firearm law violations. I am sure they will tax is to increase the size and reach of the programs in place.

Million Plus NJ Gun Owners Defy State Law, Refuse to Turn Over Banned Gun Mags

Over one million New Jersey Gun owners defy Governor Murphy's gun magazine ban & turn in demands of what some estimate is easily more than ten million now illegal standard capacity gun mags.

From all Reports, NO Mags Turned In, Governor Murphy & His Law are Joke
AmmoLand also asked the Governor's office what Gov. Murphy thinks of users on the internet saying that the ban is unenforceable and laughing at the Governor's attempt at regulating magazine sizes.

Gov. Murphy and his office refused to comment on these gun owner's opinions.

AmmoLand also asked Gov. Murphy's office about the number of magazines turned in by New Jersey residents. Once again AmmoLand was referred to the New Jersey Attorney General's office.

In this case, Lauchaire would not offer a comment and referred AmmoLand to the New Jersey State Police. Lauchaire stated she was aware of AmmoLand's previous inquire to the State Police on the number of magazines turned in meaning that State Police contacted the AG’s office about our request for information.

The New Jersey State Police have not officially responded to our request on the number of magazines that were turned over by citizens.

Two sources from within the State Police, who spoke to AmmoLand on condition of anonymity, told AmmoLand News that they both do not know of any magazines turned over to their agency and doubted that any were turned in. They also stated that the State Police also engaged the AG's office for guidance on how to respond to inquiries such as ours. They were unaware if the Attorney General has returned to their request for guidance.

All the local police departments that AmmoLand contacted stated that they have not had any magazines turned into them.

AmmoLand has filed a Freedom of Information Act request with The New Jersey State Police to get an official count of the number of magazines turned in by New Jersey citizens. We will update the story if our FOIA request is fulfilled..........................

Mr H said:

Short of firearms that are "shipped with" +n round magazines, the answer is pretty simple...

Pay cash and don't use rewards cards, if you really feel a need to stay under the radar. False moustache and glasses optional.

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Seeing what was headed our way even before the law reducing magazine capacity from 20 to 10 rounds I ordered a pistol and purposely selected the SKU with the 10 round mags. Standard capacity magazines were legal and readily available even through mail order at that time. But I knew the pistol would go on the books as one with 10 round mags.

Anyone care to step up and announce that they will be among the first to turn in their offending magazines?






I began my magazine crime spree at an early age. I was caught red-handed with a MAD magazine in class in the fifth grade. Nuns really hated Mad magazine, and I paid for my crime, you may be sure.

But somehow I find I'm still a contrarian.

I have multiple emergency bags, kits, etc around the house, in vehicles, etc. There's a magnesium fire starter in each one. You could say I have a high capacity for magnesium fire starters. That sounds pretty dangerous. Should be regulated. I have also have a high capacity magnet in the garage. Also bought a new generator, which has a pretty high capacity magneto. And as both a photographer and a shooter, and someone who has started to need reading glasses, I have a high capacity for magnifiers.

Maybe we should just do what everyone else does and start calling them "clips."

Occam said:

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Maybe we should just do what everyone else does and start calling them "clips."

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Lol, brilliant. Are there stripper clips of greater than 10-rd "capacity"? If not, I think many of us could grudgingly (infringement and all) learn to get by with a 10-rd clip restriction and avoid all this needless confusion with magazines.

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boothdoc said:

MD has a firearm enforcement squad that focuses strictly on firearm law violations. I am sure they will tax is to increase the size and reach of the programs in place.

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"Maryland" does? Please, do tell.