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Old September 22nd, 2019, 06:29 PM #31
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Attachment 267959 Hopefully this will open up for those that like to read long documents. Matt Whitaker acting AG names at the end.

Like trying to create or figure out a means to match the given ends. Also, Machine guns used to be ok. Thank you ahole mobsters in Chitcago. 2A supports that, as we all know.

PDF stated 2A does not support right to a machine gun yet people have them. Just the gubbmint afraid of the people so they take rights away. I know that was just one of the reasons mentioned.

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Like trying to create or figure out a means to match the given ends. Also, Machine guns used to be ok. Thank you ahole mobsters in Chitcago. 2A supports that, as we all know.

PDF stated 2A does not support right to a machine gun yet people have them. Just the gubbmint afraid of the people so they take rights away. I know that was just one of the reasons mentioned.

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Yeah, the government really does not care what the people have as long as they get their cut. You want to smoke? Pay your tax. You want to drink? Pay your tax. You want a machine gun? Pay your tax.

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Iím confused. I thought the SCOTUS ruled against overturning the Auer Deference so I thought these agencies had carte blanche to do pretty much whatever they want in terms of deciding upon the legality of their own regulations. What am I not understanding?
Interpreting law for enforcement is one thing. Changing a definition that is IN the law is a completely different thing.

So, first example is if congress says MG's are illegal but doesn't define them. The ATF would have the ability to define what a MG is to enforce the law that congress passed.

In this case, congress defined what a MG is in the law. The ATF cannot change the law to encompass whatever they want for enforcement. Their interpretations must stay within the boundaries of the definition provided. Since bump stocks actuate the trigger for each round, the firearm does not fall within the definition of a MG.
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Old September 23rd, 2019, 07:29 AM #34
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I'm guessing we will not hear anymore from the ATF on this subject. Who makes the next move? Manufacturers?
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Old September 23rd, 2019, 07:47 AM #35
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Unfortunately someone (who is otherwise not prohibited) is going to get their life put on hold for a few years when they get caught with one. It’ll take a real case.

I would even go on the offensive. If the ATF is unable to find any one of these newly minted machine guns, how exactly is that mandatory buy back of pistol grip shotguns going to work?

I usually have shoes tied up with shoe laces when I go to the range. Is that going to be constructive possession?
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Interpreting law for enforcement is one thing. Changing a definition that is IN the law is a completely different thing.

So, first example is if congress says MG's are illegal but doesn't define them. The ATF would have the ability to define what a MG is to enforce the law that congress passed.

In this case, congress defined what a MG is in the law. The ATF cannot change the law to encompass whatever they want for enforcement. Their interpretations must stay within the boundaries of the definition provided. Since bump stocks actuate the trigger for each round, the firearm does not fall within the definition of a MG.
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Who cares? A bump stock is a toy. Lettem have it. Save "wins" for something that means something. Good grief guys, the stuff you get your panties in a wad over is mind boggling.
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Who cares? A bump stock is a toy. Lettem have it. Save "wins" for something that means something. Good grief guys, the stuff you get your panties in a wad over is mind boggling.
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