Please tell me about Hi-Point rifles

j8064 · Apr 1, 2018

Threeband said:
Yes, we really have no idea what the OP is looking for, or what his experience level is, or anything else.

I just thought it was important to address the actual needs of the actual Original Poster, on the off chance that he really is looking for a one and only entry level rifle.

And I for one agree 100%+ with your input.
:thumbsup:

Rack&Roll · Apr 1, 2018

engineerbrian said:
I may know someone who has a 10mm

I give Hi-Point a lot of credit...that 10mm is a market maker for a lot of folks...

Threeband · Apr 1, 2018

Now I want a Monkey Gun...

Docster · Apr 1, 2018

noddaz said:
That is the statement. Are they really an entry level rifle that works?
Anyone have personal experience with Hi-Point rifles?
Anything that should be known about Hi-Point rifles or the company?
Inquiring minds want to know.

Here's a start. There's many threads about Hi Points and lots of opinions

https://www.mdshooters.com/search.php?searchid=29787886

They've been talked about very much here

Rack&Roll · Apr 1, 2018

Threeband said:
Now I want a Monkey Gun...

There ya go....easier to give into temptation than to waste precious time and energy denying your wants and needs.

I'd have to say my time with my PCC at AGC was the Hi-Point of my Saturday, LOL...

Biggfoot44 · Apr 2, 2018

OP was ambiguous- " entry level rifle " could equally be in the context of "entry level" = cheap, not very good , and the buy will dump it in 30sec after realizing their error.

But Threeband is correct in his Context .

So my statement is - If your decision is to own a semiauto PCC , the Hi Point will do anything a semiauto PCC would be expected to do , while being cheap, ugly, and reliable, ( with much better OEM sights than the vastly more expensive CX4 ) .

noddaz · Apr 2, 2018

The OP. (Me)

What I meant by entry level rifle was:

Decently constructed (as opposed to "cheaply made")
Inexpensive, less than $500 (as opposed to "cheap")
Accurate
Easy to maintain
Fun for the average gun person to shoot

And I do have some shooting experience, and I have taken a hunter safety course. (A number of years ago..)
My first rifle was a Marlin 30.30 lever action with a peep sight.
I do not have any experience with any type of semi-auto. I do have an AR build in the works with a stripped lower from Hanover Armory and some minor parts from Brumwell's Flea Market. But that is a different story. It does look like from the feedback that Hi-Point rifles are a good, low cost rifle. Some people don't like the look of them, but then Mosin-Nagants are not "pretty" rifles either. But they sure did their job.

babalou · Apr 2, 2018

Ed Zachary

noddaz said:
What I meant by entry level rifle was:

Decently constructed (as opposed to "cheaply made")

Inexpensive, less than $500 (as opposed to "cheap")

Accurate

Easy to maintain

Fun for the average gun person to shoot

And I do have some shooting experience, and I have taken a hunter safety course. (A number of years ago..)
My first rifle was a Marlin 30.30 lever action with a peep sight.
I do not have any experience with any type of semi-auto. I do have an AR build in the works with a stripped lower from Hanover Armory and some minor parts from Brumwell's Flea Market. But that is a different story. It does look like from the feedback that Hi-Point rifles are a good, low cost rifle. Some people don't like the look of them, but then Mosin-Nagants are not "pretty" rifles either. But they sure did their job.

Bingo.

j8064 · Apr 2, 2018

noddaz said:
What I meant by entry level rifle was:

Decently constructed (as opposed to "cheaply made")

Inexpensive, less than $500 (as opposed to "cheap")

Accurate

Easy to maintain

Fun for the average gun person to shoot

And I do have some shooting experience, and I have taken a hunter safety course. (A number of years ago..)
My first rifle was a Marlin 30.30 lever action with a peep sight.
I do not have any experience with any type of semi-auto. I do have an AR build in the works with a stripped lower from Hanover Armory and some minor parts from Brumwell's Flea Market. But that is a different story. It does look like from the feedback that Hi-Point rifles are a good, low cost rifle. Some people don't like the look of them, but then Mosin-Nagants are not "pretty" rifles either. But they sure did their job.

Thanks for adding a little more detail and insight "OP". :thumbsup:

If I haven't said it before, welcome back to the forum noddaz (even if it only took you four years to begin asking questions... :innocent0

). You'll find a many varied opinions from many very experienced forum members here.

Good luck on your AR build. It's a great semi-auto rifle platform. You will learn a lot building one of your own.

Don't discount Hi Point Carbines. They are well-constructed blow-back action firearms chambered in pistol calibers made in the USA. And they are much different than AR's. Hi Point has a Lifetime Warranty and they stand by it. They are good carbines - for what they are.

"Fugly Guns" are in the eye of the beholder. For example, Lee Enfields are great shooting rifles, but they ain't pretty by many folk's standards.

Oh, if you wonder why we refer to Hi Point Carbines as "Monkey Guns" here... That's because they closely resemble "Planet of the Apes" guns we've grown to know and love...

Combloc · Apr 2, 2018

IIRC, the hero prop rifles in PotA were M1 carbines housed in a wood or fiberglass shell.

j8064 · Apr 2, 2018

Combloc said:
IIRC, the hero prop rifles in PotA were M1 carbines housed in a wood or fiberglass shell.

Sure they were. :thumbsup:

But original Hi Point carbine stocks looked a helluva lot like them...

Threeband · Apr 2, 2018

With more detail, it sounds to me like the OP would be well served by a Monkey Gun.

(I'm glad to hear it won't be his only gun, though. )

Now another question: except as a "companion" to a .380 pistol, why would anyone want a .380 carbine? That .380 ammo is pricey stuff! Way more expensive than 9mm Luger/Parabellum, and much less powerfull.

Mr H · Apr 2, 2018

Threeband said:
With more detail, it sounds to me like the OP would be well served by a Monkey Gun.

(I'm glad to hear it won't be his only gun, though. )

Now another question: except as a "companion" to a .380 pistol, why would anyone want a .380 carbine? That .380 ammo is pricey stuff! Way more expensive than 9mm Luger/Parabellum, and much less powerfull.

I look at the PCC 'solution' (regardless of caliber) partially as a matter of SHTF grab-n-go.

If you want a handgun and a 'rifle' if you're heading out, why not have them in the same caliber?

As for .380, I agree about the ammo cost, which is why I don't have a Monkey Gun in that flavor. I also agree that 9mm is the better choice (and more likely to scrounge). But, I'm still looking at a .380 as a plinking option for the Missus.

engineerbrian · Apr 3, 2018

Threeband said:
With more detail, it sounds to me like the OP would be well served by a Monkey Gun.

(I'm glad to hear it won't be his only gun, though. )

Now another question: except as a "companion" to a .380 pistol, why would anyone want a .380 carbine? That .380 ammo is pricey stuff! Way more expensive than 9mm Luger/Parabellum, and much less powerfull.

The only reason I don’t own a 380 monkey gun is because I don’t want to stock another caliber. That said, the Hi Point 380 is the nicest shooting of all of their carbines. It makes a great range toy since it has minimal recoil and is very accurate

j8064 · Apr 3, 2018

Threeband said:
Now another question: except as a "companion" to a .380 pistol, why would anyone want a .380 carbine? That .380 ammo is pricey stuff! Way more expensive than 9mm Luger/Parabellum, and much less powerfull.

A .380 monkey gun is also a nice companion to the other pistol caliber carbines in the series. When one has 9mm, 40 S&W and 45ACP it's a natural next step. I picked one up a few years ago when they came out and it's a fun little plinker.

Actually, reloading .380's makes them pretty cheap. I have gobs of free range cases on hand. So for about a dime or less I can load plenty of plinking ammo: Primer = 4 cents; Plated Bullet = 7 cents (or almost free if I use CB's cast from wheel weights); and a penny's worth of Unique.
Heck, shooting .380 is about as cheap as .22LR these days. And a lot more fun...

engineerbrian said:
The only reason I don’t own a 380 monkey gun is because I don’t want to stock another caliber. That said, the Hi Point 380 is the nicest shooting of all of their carbines. It makes a great range toy since it has minimal recoil and is very accurate

But, but... You have a 10mm monkey gun and I don't...(yet)... :tantrum:

noddaz · Apr 3, 2018

So now I know where monkey gun comes from

Monkey gun from PotA. Would have never thought of that. But I do see the resemblance. Who knows, maybe that is when the idea for the initial design came from.
And this.

(even if it only took you four years to begin asking questions... )

I didn't know anyone was keeping track. Was it NSA? FBI? CIA? Black Ops? :lol2:

I think I hear helicopters.

engineerbrian · Apr 3, 2018

j8064 said:
A .380 monkey gun is also a nice companion to the other pistol caliber carbines in the series. When one has 9mm, 40 S&W and 45ACP it's a natural next step. I picked one up a few years ago when they came out and it's a fun little plinker.

Actually, reloading .380's makes them pretty cheap. I have gobs of free range cases on hand. So for about a dime or less I can load plenty of plinking ammo: Primer = 4 cents; Plated Bullet = 7 cents (or almost free if I use CB's cast from wheel weights); and a penny's worth of Unique.
Heck, shooting .380 is about as cheap as .22LR these days. And a lot more fun...

But, but... You have a 10mm monkey gun and I don't...(yet)...

I have a Colt Delta elite in 10mm to go with my 10mm monkey gun. Quite the difference in qaulity :lol2:

j8064 · Apr 3, 2018

noddaz said:
Monkey gun from PotA. Would have never thought of that. But I do see the resemblance. Who knows, maybe that is when the idea for the initial design came from.
And this.
I didn't know anyone was keeping track. Was it NSA? FBI? CIA? Black Ops? I think I hear helicopters.

There you go. A mountain of learning awaits you on this forum.

Join in and take it one step at a time...
:thumbsup:

Threeband · Apr 3, 2018

First time I heard the term Monkey Gun I knew exactly what it meant.

Combloc · Apr 3, 2018

I wondered what a "monkey gun" was. Now I get it. Thanks all!

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