2A MD blames who?

swinokur · Oct 11, 2017

Why was he booted from AGC?

Does JJ have a problem playing well with others?

montoya32 · Oct 11, 2017

swinokur said:
Why was he booted from AGC?

Does JJ have a problem playing well with others?

I do not know the particulars about the reason he was not re-elected as the legislative VP of AGC. Ask the the other 2A groups how many times JJ, the most experienced 2A lobbyist in MD, has cooperated with educating the 2A community, collaborating in efforts to present new legislation or to defeat legislation.

swinokur · Oct 11, 2017

Perhaps the AGC election outcome explains his problem.

Not_an_outlaw · Oct 11, 2017

IMBLITZVT said:
Man, I am not sure I agree with John J or not. However if you are representing those who oppose him... I have to guess there is a good chance John J is correct! Have you graduated to High School yet? Seriously, John J might be completely wrong on this but I sure as hell would not listen to someone who made a comment like this! What a Child. How embarrassing it would be to have you representing 2A. You sure know a lot for someone who does not even know if AGC meetings are open or not.

I have known John J since about 2005. As a Trustee for the AGC, I have been fought battles with and against him. For example I was totally against him when he did not want to take FSA to referendum and told him so in no uncertain terms. That said, we are talking about a guy who has given a lot of his time and effort to fight for 2A. As someone else who has volunteered much of my time, I think this deserves some respect... at least much more than this thread has shown. No wonder you have such a hard to finding people to stand up and fight. Here is someone who did and look the the knife in his back.

I have not had time to look into this issue and see if I side with John J or not. I might very well agree that I don't like what he wrote. Anyone who knows me, knows I don't just agree because I like you. This could certainly be expressed and should be expressed. However this thread is nothing more than an embarrassment to the gun community.

If you have information that is contrary to the thoughts people are relaying on this board, please provide them. I think playing "nice" with the legislators isn't working.

swinokur · Oct 11, 2017

FSA2013 proved that

swinokur · Oct 11, 2017

I'd also like to point out that we "activists" were attending the HPRB meetings long before Madaleno's bill was introduced. So were the antis

So the idea that attendance started after that in an attempt to intimidate anyone is preposterous and beyond the pale.
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John from MD · Oct 11, 2017

Mark Larue get it.

In regards to the 2nd Amendment and the NRA …

I have been told so and I understand that I am not the most eloquent person in the world, and I have rubbed a few folks the wrong way. I have failed to properly espouse my stance and some have misunderstood what I tried to convey. So let me clearly state my beliefs in simple words so there is no misunderstanding.

I am staunchly Pro 2nd Amendment, I am staunchly Pro Bumpfire stocks and I am staunchly against any moves to limit Our Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Period. I stand firmly with my fellow Americans, fellow shooters, gun collectors, hunters, home defenders, et al, against any regulations on the 2nd Amendment. Period. My life is fully committed to this, and the great country which has allowed me, and you, to prosper.

I also believe we must work inside and through the NRA to safeguard our freedoms and liberty. We must work to reform the NRA, so that it fully reflects the beliefs of its members. We must give no ground to those who would strip our liberty and freedom from us. I am fully committed to this fight. We fight not just for ourselves, but for our children, grandchildren, and generations of Americans to come. We must be united together in this fight. There can be no step backwards, only forward.

Mark LaRue
LaRue Tactical

Kind of what we need to do in MD.

swinokur · Oct 11, 2017

preaching to the choir bro.

IMBLITZVT · Oct 11, 2017

montoya32 · Oct 11, 2017

IMBLITZVT said:
Yes, I do try and know what I am talking about before speaking on a subject, clearly some here have no issue speaking on issues they clearly don't understand.

Congrads, I have made it into the Baltimore Sun twice. You don't see me using it as an excuse to act like a Child.

You represent us as well as you have in this thread, we are all surely doomed.

Haha! JJ has been involved for a long time. I forget how long he was LVP of the AGC but I think it was like 15 year or more. I would say he has been relevant for a while. Never encouraged AGC members to get involved! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. See comments like that tell me (and anyone else, friend or foe at the AGC) for 100% fact that you don't know what you are talking about!!!! Haha I wish I could get back the hours I have listened to JJ lecture, request, prod, demand and beg for more at the AGC to get involved. I think its actually taken up hours of my life. Sure, never worked with anyone else... what a joke! That may be the biggest load of crap I have heard in any MDshooters post and that is saying something!

JJ lost an election. He was not removed from office or "booted". Why? Well like in all clubs internal politics plays a role. Those in power declined in popularity over time and another group took control. He was the last of those in the older group to retain his position. The two sides were bitter and eventually it caught up to John too. Oddly enough, in my opinion it had little to do with his 2A work as LVP and much more to do with internal AGC matters. If you really want to know more, PM me and I will be happy to explain from an unbiased point of view. Interestingly enough, my group in the AGC was actually friendly with both the older and new group of people and stayed out of the battle. We had supporters on both sides. Sure John J is a bit bitter over what happened at the AGC, I think thats fair to say. However you don't get elected for over a decade if you don't play well with others. I think like all of us, it depends on who the others are...

Part of the problem. PM, meet for lunch, between you and me...... :lol2:

Stoveman · Oct 11, 2017

j_h_smith · Oct 11, 2017

IMBLITZVT said:
Yes, I do try and know what I am talking about before speaking on a subject, clearly some here have no issue speaking on issues they clearly don't understand.

Seems odd that you"d want to support JJ when even you said you've been with and against him in the past. Don't you think it would be prudent to understand what you're arguing over?

You represent us as well as you have in this thread, we are all surely doomed.

Since you know nothing of Stoveman, it is you that speak without any knowledge of this situation.

Haha! JJ has been involved for a long time. I forget how long he was LVP of the AGC but I think it was like 15 year or more. I would say he has been relevant for a while. Never encouraged AGC members to get involved! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. See comments like that tell me (and anyone else, friend or foe at the AGC) for 100% fact that you don't know what you are talking about!!!! Haha I wish I could get back the hours I have listened to JJ lecture, request, prod, demand and beg for more at the AGC to get involved. I think its actually taken up hours of my life. Sure, never worked with anyone else... what a joke! That may be the biggest load of crap I have heard in any MDshooters post and that is saying something!

I only remember him asking for more money to spend.

JJ lost an election. He was not removed from office or "booted". Why? Well like in all clubs internal politics plays a role. Those in power declined in popularity over time and another group took control. He was the last of those in the older group to retain his position. The two sides were bitter and eventually it caught up to John too. Oddly enough, in my opinion it had little to do with his 2A work as LVP and much more to do with internal AGC matters. If you really want to know more, PM me and I will be happy to explain from an unbiased point of view. Interestingly enough, my group in the AGC was actually friendly with both the older and new group of people and stayed out of the battle. We had supporters on both sides. Sure John J is a bit bitter over what happened at the AGC, I think thats fair to say. However you don't get elected for over a decade if you don't play well with others. I think like all of us, it depends on who the others are...

You have that right, he lost the election. He lost the election because most of the clubs were tired of his style of running the club, running the club into financial ruin. You talk like JJ was an angel during the election. Care to defend his actions? I doubt you would. You can bet JJ is bitter about his kingdom falling, because that's what he thought he had at AGC. He tried to run that thing like it was his.

BTW, whatever happened to the audit that was supposed to take place after the election? Did it happen? How come I've never seen a copy.

Rack&Roll · Oct 11, 2017

I’m not aware that JJ was being deposed in a lawsuit ...or being paid to give a speech when he widely distributed his “thoughts”...and no one was begging him for his take.

There was no clamor for this. JJ just dropped it.

JJ started all this on his own.

To what purpose?

IMBLITZVT · Oct 11, 2017

Rack&Roll · Oct 11, 2017

Maryland 2A does not have a draft Army.

Once this current bar fight is done we need to dust ourselves off and unite the tribes.

Maryland children yet unborn are depending on us.

Rack&Roll · Oct 11, 2017

Now, can I buy the next round for my brawlin’ brothers?

IMBLITZVT · Oct 11, 2017

IMBLITZVT · Oct 11, 2017

swinokur · Oct 11, 2017

Bob A · Oct 11, 2017

JJ has done much for the 2A community, and I respect him for his positive contributions. His take on the HPRB is ill-informed at best. He can send all the emails he wants, and those who read them can act as they see fit. So long as he can effectively articulate his position in a way productive to the furtherance of 2A freedom, hes efforts are appreciated.

There are those, more deeply informed than I, who see fit to challenge at least part of his position. No problem with that, either.

Those who jump to someone's defense without making the effort to discover what they are defending are doing no one any service. Defending a person as a friend is a fine and noble act. Flinging excrement around is for lower primates and Democrats.

To be fair, there's a lot of flinging going around. I don't see it as promoting any position, but rather weakening all, especially in a public forum. I'd much rather see a physical gathering of all parties, with in-person discussion and argument, a bit of bloodshed, ending with drinks all around. Mutual respect is hard to achieve in any internet dispute: spoken words can be forgotten over time, but the written word lingers, and rankles.

The more we permit ourselves to be split from one another, the less effectively we can promote a common cause.

We must all hang together or, most assuredly, we will all hang separately.

That is all.

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