CMP 1911's

Qbeam · Feb 4, 2020

I look at it as, it came out of a military armory, was properly cared for, and wasn't altered from military configuration. Works for me.

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mawkie · Feb 6, 2020

somd_mustangs said:
I think by definition all of the 1911's released by CMP are arsenal rebuilt/refinished (even the "special" ones like the Rem UMC that was featured in the American Rifleman article). At least they still exist and haven't been destroyed. For the price point and the apparent nice condition, they are a good deal I think. They really don't do anything for me either but if someone offered me a nice one like this for Mawkie pricing(TM), it would be hard to turn down.
For those lucky folks that got one with all correct parts, I salute you

Ah crap, I should have been sharp enough to trademark that! Thank you for a good belly laugh my friend! :lol2:

Qbeam · Feb 19, 2020

is there a way to trace the history of the 1911's? Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) or some other method? I see some of the rifles posted here with military information, are these documents readily available, or do you need to submit a FOIA request, or some other document?

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Melnic · Feb 20, 2020

There is a book Springfield Research Service (there is a thread here somewhere with a member who will look things up for you).

somd_mustangs · Feb 21, 2020

Melnic said:
There is a book Springfield Research Service (there is a thread here somewhere with a member who will look things up for you).

I believe that was Machodoc, who hasn't been on here in a long time.
I don't think the SRS covers the -A1 but I could be wrong.
There's just shy of 30k 1911's in the list out of 700,000 so the odds of finding one are slim.

kmb · Feb 25, 2020

FFBWMD said:
Pics of the one in our shop

so awesome. and built in 'cuse. someday i'll get one. hopefully before they hit the 10k mark.

FFBWMD · May 29, 2020

Have a Remington Rand M1911A1 coming in tomorrow and possibly an Ithaca M1911A1 as well.

somd_mustangs · May 29, 2020

FFBWMD said:
Have a Remington Rand M1911A1 coming in tomorrow and possibly an Ithaca M1911A1 as well.

CMP / reworks or originals?

FFBWMD · May 30, 2020

somd_mustangs said:
CMP / reworks or originals?

Not CMP, but have been reworked at some point. Look pretty good though. I'll try and get some pics if I have time today.

FFBWMD · May 30, 2020

1943 Remington Rand, looks mostly correct. Obviously refinished but looks good.

calicojack · May 30, 2020

FFBWMD said:
1943 Remington Rand, looks mostly correct. Obviously refinished but looks good.

That's a beauty! Are you selling that one or is it for your personal collection?

FFBWMD · May 30, 2020

calicojack said:
That's a beauty! Are you selling that one or is it for your personal collection?

It's for sale

calicojack · Aug 1, 2020

Here is an interesting article from the Army Times; it's over a year old but informative none the less.
https://www.armytimes.com/news/your...army-1911-handguns-outstrips-supply-by-a-lot/

intobaitem · Aug 1, 2020

This is my 1917 Field Grade

I went with the field grade on the advice of the rep when I called in after I was picked. Am pretty pleased with what I got. Especially the age. I didn't want a refinished gun. To me, that reduced the originality. It has definitely seen use. Doesn't appear to have ever been re-armored/re-finished but I'm no expert. Has a number 4 in paint and stamped and all parts colt. By SN this was a run of 33,814 manufactured in 1917.

mac1_131 · Aug 1, 2020

intobaitem said:
I went with the field grade on the advice of the rep when I called in after I was picked. Am pretty pleased with what I got. Especially the age. I didn't want a refinished gun. To me, that reduced the originality. It has definitely seen use. Doesn't appear to have ever been re-armored/re-finished but I'm no expert. Has a number 4 in paint and stamped and all parts colt. By SN this was a run of 33,814 manufactured in 1917.

My guess is it has some ww ii era rebuild parts in it. Look at the hammer, doesn't match. Probably has a arsenal rebuild barrel, hammer, grip safety, grips but that doesn't detract from the niceness at all.

intobaitem · Aug 1, 2020

Slide release and trigger are darker like the hammer.

mac1_131 said:
My guess is it has some ww ii era rebuild parts in it. Look at the hammer, doesn't match. Probably has a arsenal rebuild barrel, hammer, grip safety, grips but that doesn't detract from the niceness at all.

Funny how I didn't even see the hammer color. Slide release darker as well. Added some more pics. Any idea about the stampings?

mac1_131 · Aug 1, 2020

intobaitem said:
Funny how I didn't even see the hammer color. Slide release darker as well. Added some more pics. Any idea about the stampings?

Mine (not CMP) is pretty much the same. I'm not a 1911 expert but I think the RIA is Rock island arsenal rebuild stamp. All those darker parts will likely be ww ii era arsenal rebuild parts. Most likely the barrel too.

Lots of them are like that, got some of the improved parts and those that wear out.

Nice pistol though and congrats.

calicojack · Aug 1, 2020

intobaitem said:
I went with the field grade on the advice of the rep when I called in after I was picked. Am pretty pleased with what I got. Especially the age. I didn't want a refinished gun. To me, that reduced the originality. It has definitely seen use. Doesn't appear to have ever been re-armored/re-finished but I'm no expert. Has a number 4 in paint and stamped and all parts colt. By SN this was a run of 33,814 manufactured in 1917.

That does look good. I was wondering if a Field grade was more likely to be an older vintage than a Service grade.

somd_mustangs · Aug 1, 2020

mac1_131 said:
Mine (not CMP) is pretty much the same. I'm not a 1911 expert but I think the RIA is Rock island arsenal rebuild stamp. All those darker parts will likely be ww ii era arsenal rebuild parts. Most likely the barrel too.

Lots of them are like that, got some of the improved parts and those that wear out.

Nice pistol though and congrats.

You are correct

The parkerized finish is a giveaway too that it has been rebuilt, all WW1 1911's were blued originally.
The FK is the inspector initials at RIA, which also yields a time frame of this overhaul:
"FK: Frank Krack was Assistant Foreman of the Inspection Division at Rock Island Arsenal from September 17, 1941 until he retired on July 19th, 1946. During that period all small arms inspected under his supervision would be stamped with his initials "FK" as well as those of the Rock Island Arsenal "RIA"."

intobaitem · Aug 2, 2020

somd_mustangs said:
You are correct
The parkerized finish is a giveaway too that it has been rebuilt, all WW1 1911's were blued originally.
The FK is the inspector initials at RIA, which also yields a time frame of this overhaul:
"FK: Frank Krack was Assistant Foreman of the Inspection Division at Rock Island Arsenal from September 17, 1941 until he retired on July 19th, 1946. During that period all small arms inspected under his supervision would be stamped with his initials "FK" as well as those of the Rock Island Arsenal "RIA"."

Awesome info. Thanks! Any idea about the stamp below the slide release above the mag release?

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