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Old January 12th, 2019, 12:01 PM #171
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They have been given a lot of power. Red flag, no due process, fingers may still be warm.....

If one were to know parts of the entity they work for denies such rights or diligently works to remove them well .... that person has at that point chosen sides. .gov vs citizens and families.

Is that harsh? No offense to LEOs, better times may soon come.
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Iím not surprised by their antics in the least.

But Iím not ever going to accept their behavior and saying NJ is worse is just saying MD sucks less.

Thatís surrender

They do it because they can, not because itís right .

I have to live with it until SCOTUS puts a stop to it.

Or not
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Old January 12th, 2019, 12:17 PM #173
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The MSP at every hearing contradict something they have said at the same hearing and certainly from one hearing to another . No rhyme or reason other then they forget the lie or BS story they told an hour earlier .

I have been to enough hearings , stood in front of the board and listened to them tell the HPRB some (cough) lies . They are willing partners in this .
I agree. Having warmed a spectator seat at a few HPRB meetings, I can state with absolute certainty that the

"MSP Licensing Division" rhymes perfectly with "Arbitrary and Capricious."

You never know what words will be spoken or written at any given time, or how outrageous the words will be. The only rein on them I've seen at the Board meetings is that now the troopers testifying are sworn to tell the truth under pain of perjury, where they weren't in years gone by. At least it's a reminder to them; how effective it is I don't know.

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The MD process may suck less than NJ or NYC, but it still sucks WAAAAAY more than, for example, Utah.
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Old January 12th, 2019, 12:24 PM #174
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At HPRB, the facts and law are whatever MSP decides they are.

And as pointed out, they change from case to case.

I doubt the fact that they now have an additional level of appeal will help anyone besides Frosh and his minions
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Old January 12th, 2019, 12:41 PM #175
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Same same.

The average Trooper would have no problem defending W&C permit issue policy. I'm really perplexed that people are shocked that MSP goes to the edges of the envelope given by legislature not to issue permits. Been labeled as an alleged cop hater by some here, but yet all I see with this issue is just normal operating procedure really not worth getting angry or disparaging cops over. Some think MSP read this board, so how exactly does that kind of vitriol help? It's what they do, and the legislature gives them the right to do what they do as ruled so far. DC was way more picky when they were may issue. Many with MD W&C permits wouldn't even get close to one in NJ. NJ too is decided by police chief plus a judge.


Move on?

Sir ,

I am not sure what you are saying or what I read is we should just shut up and take it .

I can say the MSP troopers are clowns , at least the ones at the hearings and they can call me a clown .
I have at least some rights , unless the state wants to take that away from me as well . If they read what I post I am okay with it , I would tell them they same thing if we were to get into a conversation with them .

I will continue to fight the restrictions win or lose and I will call Frosh and anyone else a asshat .

nobody was harmed by this post .
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I read it as :

Ofc will always publicly follow the company line.
Expect that, don't use to subdiffirentiate in your outlook upon LE , be it generally supportive, generally distrustful, or somewhere in between .
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It is a constant source of surprise to me that people donít seem to understand that the MSP doesnít create the laws - they enforce the laws. Of course Gov Hogan is aware of the Handgun laws being enforced. Do you seriously believe that heís not getting mail and briefings about these things on a weekly basis? Címon...
So now you won't be Surprised anymore. It's a fact.
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I also don't (really) believe Hogan is being briefed on HPRB results, I don't believe he'd care much even if he was.

His office has never responded to my inquiries in regards to the topic of wear and carry..... at all.

Same with other politicians, unless it serves them now or can help them in the future they don't care. Another former huge 2A supporter from my District, fell of the face of the earth once it wasn't to his political advantage to do so.
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Frosh gets briefed not Hogan
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