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Old January 10th, 2019, 08:36 AM #701
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Our good friend Bryan Sears reporting tonight that Miller is being treated for cancer.

https://thedailyrecord.com/2019/01/0...iHuhMt6JzGnP1g
Yes. Prostate cancer
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https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...115-story.html

Averaging 100 a month, about 50% converted to final orders.


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The 302 requests were for guns to be temporarily removed from Marylanders after an officer, family member or health professional raised concerns to the courts.

In 148 cases, Maryland district judges granted a final order — meaning police do not immediately return the seized guns, and the subjects could be prohibited from buying or possessing other firearms for up to a year.


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John P. Morrissey, the chief judge of the District Court of Maryland, told the committee that family members often report a loved one who is having mental health problems resulting in the seizure of guns. After the subject receives treatment or medication, the guns are returned.

Sometimes, Morrissey said, relatives “really just want them taken to the hospital and get them medicated.”

“The people are fine once they’re on their meds, for all practical purposes,” the judge said. “But when they’re not on their meds, they’re not in control of themselves.”

Law enforcement officers requested 133 of the orders, while the rest came from other sources, such as spouses and other relatives, data show.
Other details: about half were interim orders issued by the commissioner when the courts were closed.


Another tidbit: red flag orders appear inversely related to homicide statistics. Baltimore City had a paltry 11 red flag orders. If you are mentally unstable and plan to kill someone, move to Baltimore where its totally normal, or something.


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There were 47 requests in Anne Arundel, which had the shooting at the Capital Gazette newspaper office on June 28 that killed five staff members. Harford County, which had a mass shooting at a Rite Aid warehouse Sept. 20 that killed four people, had 33 requests.

Baltimore County recorded 41 red flag requests, Prince George’s County had 33, and the city of Baltimore had 11.
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Averaging 100 a month, about 50% converted to final orders.
That means that 50% of the time, there's a gun owner out there who has to go through the nightmare of trying to get his or her guns back from the police, and hoping they haven't been damaged, and that all of the ammunition is actually returned, etc.


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Other details: about half were interim orders issued by the commissioner when the courts were closed.
It would be fascinating, for a number of reasons, to know the conversion rates for orders initially issued by judges vs the commissioners.
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That means that 50% of the time, there's a gun owner out there who has to go through the nightmare of trying to get his or her guns back from the police, and hoping they haven't been damaged, and that all of the ammunition is actually returned, etc.




It would be fascinating, for a number of reasons, to know the conversion rates for orders initially issued by judges vs the commissioners.
I'd like to see
-how many requests become emergency orders
-How many victims don't fight the order and why
-Of the people who have had guns stolen from them by the state and then had the order vacated/dismissed/expired, got their guns back
-What condition the guns were in upon being returned
-Whether or not anyone who had ammo seized had all of it retuned
-If any people ran into trouble when the LEOs entered their homes to steal the guns, and wound up with some sort of additional legal trouble from that.
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More than 50 of these orders get signed off by a judge every month???? That's pretty concerning. At that rate it's not a question of if you will get red flagged but a matter of when. I'm sure they are planning to up those numbers to several hundred a month. The goal is obviously not safety but to disarm as many citizens as possible.

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40% of the Red Flags are being INITIATED by the police, not family members or health professionals.

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Law enforcement officers requested 133 of the orders, while the rest came from other sources, such as spouses and other relatives, data show.
And it’s clear from the number of actions taken in AA county vs. Baltimore...that Red Flags are carried out MORE OFTEN BASED ON WHICH COP AGENCIES HAVE DEVELOPED A TASTE FOR STRIPPING GUNS.

A gun owner in AA County is a bigger target for these Due Process crimes than other places. How much more Gestapo can you get?
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I'd like to see when I'm getting my or . . . my friend is getting his guns back! sarcasm

Are these being filed for and acted upon by the same entity and who is doing the most, our friends at MSP (Frosh boys) or local boys. I guess I live in the most liberal county now?
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As I stated before this law will definitely unfairly target minorities that don't have the resources to fight back in court. Pretty Gestapo for sure and scary stuff.
At this rate we are looking at well over 500 per year. How many legal gun owners are there in Maryland? Also when they strip you of your guns do they also strip you of your HQL?
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Also when they strip you of your guns do they also strip you of your HQL?
No.

It is only the possession of firearms that gets prohibited while you're under one of these orders.
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40% of the Red Flags are being INITIATED by the police, not family members or health professionals.



And its clear from the number of actions taken in AA county vs. Baltimore...that Red Flags are carried out MORE OFTEN BASED ON WHICH COP AGENCIES HAVE DEVELOPED A TASTE FOR STRIPPING GUNS.

A gun owner in AA County is a bigger target for these Due Process crimes than other places. How much more Gestapo can you get?

Man, I thought when this law was bring rolled out it's defenders and Hogan defenders tried to say that wouldn't happen.

Just don't act like a lunatic and piss off your crazy wife and you'll be fine.
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