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  • Cap

    Member
    Jul 25, 2018
    8
    Below is a letter that I received from ATF regarding an inquiry that Imade about Binary Triggers.

    It does not appear to be a favorable response but it should provide some insight into the current thinking.
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    .Mr. Cap:

    This is in reply to your recent email to the Firearms Industry Programs Branch (FIPB) Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) seeking information on the Franklin Armory binary trigger system. Specifically, you wish to know if it is lawful to possess the Franklin Armory binary trigger system.

    As way of background, the National Firearms Act (NFA) 26 U.S.C. 5845 (b) defines a “machinegun” as follows:

    “…any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person”.

    The stated purpose of the Franklin Armory binary trigger system is to allow the operator of the firearm into which the binary trigger system is installed to fire the weapon in a rapid manner thus simulating automatic fire.

    To date, a working version of the current design of the Franklin Armory binary trigger system has not been submitted or evaluated in regards to its classification within Title 18 and Title 26 and thus we are unable to comment specifically about the current design of the Franklin Armory binary trigger system.

    However, similar devices have been evaluated and their installation was found to convert the firearm into which they were installed into a machinegun as such is defined in 26 U.S.C. 5845 (b). ATF has long held that a single pull of the trigger is the same as a “single function” of the trigger. Similarly, the release of the trigger is a single function of the trigger. In analyzing and classifying these items, ATF determined that a single pull of the trigger occurs as long as constant pressure is applied to the trigger even if a mechanism within the firearm pushes the finger forward allowing the trigger to reset. In the items that were examined, the shooter never releases the trigger, and the single constant pull results in the firing of a second projectile. The single constant pull of the trigger without a subsequent release is a “single function of the trigger.”

    If a Franklin Armory binary trigger system or any other device or part was installed into a firearm and the firearm subsequently fired automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger as described above, it would be a “machinegun” as defined in 26 U.S.C. 5845 (b). The manufacture and possession of such a weapon by an unlicensed individual would be unlawful and would subject its unlicensed manufacturer or possessor to prosecution.

    We thank you for your inquiry and trust that the foregoing has been responsive.

    Michael S Knapp
    Firearms Enforcement Specialist
    Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
    Firearms and Explosives Industry Division
    Firearms Industry Programs Branch
     

    IDFInfantry

    Banned
    BANNED!!!
    Feb 21, 2013
    926
    Nomad
    People need to stop poking the bear on this kind of stuff! Stop communicating with the ATF. Nothing good can come of it! We need to start taking legal action against them not asking for permission to wipe our own asses!
     

    jkeys

    Active Member
    Jan 30, 2013
    668
    Below is a letter that I received from ATF regarding an inquiry that Imade about Binary Triggers.

    It does not appear to be a favorable response but it should provide some insight into the current thinking.
    ................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

    .Mr. Cap:

    This is in reply to your recent email to the Firearms Industry Programs Branch (FIPB) Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) seeking information on the Franklin Armory binary trigger system. Specifically, you wish to know if it is lawful to possess the Franklin Armory binary trigger system.

    As way of background, the National Firearms Act (NFA) 26 U.S.C. 5845 (b) defines a “machinegun” as follows:

    “…any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person”.

    The stated purpose of the Franklin Armory binary trigger system is to allow the operator of the firearm into which the binary trigger system is installed to fire the weapon in a rapid manner thus simulating automatic fire.

    To date, a working version of the current design of the Franklin Armory binary trigger system has not been submitted or evaluated in regards to its classification within Title 18 and Title 26 and thus we are unable to comment specifically about the current design of the Franklin Armory binary trigger system.

    However, similar devices have been evaluated and their installation was found to convert the firearm into which they were installed into a machinegun as such is defined in 26 U.S.C. 5845 (b). ATF has long held that a single pull of the trigger is the same as a “single function” of the trigger. Similarly, the release of the trigger is a single function of the trigger. In analyzing and classifying these items, ATF determined that a single pull of the trigger occurs as long as constant pressure is applied to the trigger even if a mechanism within the firearm pushes the finger forward allowing the trigger to reset. In the items that were examined, the shooter never releases the trigger, and the single constant pull results in the firing of a second projectile. The single constant pull of the trigger without a subsequent release is a “single function of the trigger.”

    If a Franklin Armory binary trigger system or any other device or part was installed into a firearm and the firearm subsequently fired automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger as described above, it would be a “machinegun” as defined in 26 U.S.C. 5845 (b). The manufacture and possession of such a weapon by an unlicensed individual would be unlawful and would subject its unlicensed manufacturer or possessor to prosecution.

    We thank you for your inquiry and trust that the foregoing has been responsive.

    Michael S Knapp
    Firearms Enforcement Specialist
    Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
    Firearms and Explosives Industry Division
    Firearms Industry Programs Branch

    And the binary triggers pass the one function test, hence they aren't a machine gun. Unless you think the ATF is knowingly allowing tens of thousands of new machine guns to be publicly made with no repercussions...
     

    iH8DemLibz

    When All Else Fails.
    Apr 1, 2013
    25,396
    Libtardistan
    People need to stop poking the bear on this kind of stuff! Stop communicating with the ATF. Nothing good can come of it! We need to start taking legal action against them not asking for permission to wipe our own asses!

    The state of Maryland wrote the law in such a way that contacting the ATF is mandatory in order for Marylanders to keep their lawfully purchased devices.

    Every Maryland gun owner, whether they own a Rapid Fire Trigger Activator or not, should write a letter to the ATF seeking permission to own one post October 1st.

    The more the ATF tells Marylanders to phuckoff, the better chance Marylanders have of overturning this poorly written BS law.

    .02 of course.
     

    Jake4U

    Now with 67% more FJB
    Sep 1, 2018
    1,180
    The state of Maryland wrote the law in such a way that contacting the ATF is mandatory in order for Marylanders to keep their lawfully purchased devices.

    Every Maryland gun owner, whether they own a Rapid Fire Trigger Activator or not, should write a letter to the ATF seeking permission to own one post October 1st.

    The more the ATF tells Marylanders to phuckoff, the better chance Marylanders have of overturning this poorly written BS law.

    .02 of course.

    Done.
     

    Rab1515

    Ultimate Member
    Patriot Picket
    Apr 29, 2014
    2,081
    Calvert
    The state of Maryland wrote the law in such a way that contacting the ATF is mandatory in order for Marylanders to keep their lawfully purchased devices.

    Every Maryland gun owner, whether they own a Rapid Fire Trigger Activator or not, should write a letter to the ATF seeking permission to own one post October 1st.

    The more the ATF tells Marylanders to phuckoff, the better chance Marylanders have of overturning this poorly written BS law.

    .02 of course.

    Eh. Since the ATF put out an advisory stating that they are not accepting such applications, asking permission is moot, unless they screw up and acknowlage one.
     

    iH8DemLibz

    When All Else Fails.
    Apr 1, 2013
    25,396
    Libtardistan
    Eh. Since the ATF put out an advisory stating that they are not accepting such applications, asking permission is moot, unless they screw up and acknowlage one.

    The ATF saying they won't participate in executing Maryland law is what's most important.

    The ATF is stating that Maryland law can't be adhered to as written.

    The more requests submitted the better.
     

    IDFInfantry

    Banned
    BANNED!!!
    Feb 21, 2013
    926
    Nomad
    It's weird asking for permission for something that's inherently legal. This law is like saying you have freedom of speech but it's illegal to talk, write or type too fast.
     

    iH8DemLibz

    When All Else Fails.
    Apr 1, 2013
    25,396
    Libtardistan
    It's weird asking for permission for something that's inherently legal. This law is like saying you have freedom of speech but it's illegal to talk, write or type too fast.

    You are 100% correct, sir.

    And that's precisely why we have to ask ATF's permission.

    To document the utter absurdity.

    The ATF refusing to be a party to this nonsense speaks volumes.
     

    521FF

    Member
    Jul 23, 2016
    8
    Owings, MD
    So - I'm confused. Do we write a letter to the ATF when they said don't contact them, asking for permission to keep an item purchased legally, that falls within ATF function as single trigger pull/release - one shot only - prior to Oct. 1?
     

    Bountied

    Ultimate Member
    Apr 6, 2012
    7,151
    Pasadena
    So - I'm confused. Do we write a letter to the ATF when they said don't contact them, asking for permission to keep an item purchased legally, that falls within ATF function as single trigger pull/release - one shot only - prior to Oct. 1?

    That's what the MD law says you have to do. Apply for authorization to posses a rapid fire trigger activator from the ATF before Oct 1st. The ATF won't do anything because they don't answer to states but you have to try right? The law is ridiculous. Hopefully the law gets overturned and we can go back to having fun, responsible ownership of firearms and related accessories.
     

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