Effects of Virginia Shootings on MD Law

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  • Cold Steel

    Active Member
    Sep 26, 2006
    801
    Bethesda, MD
    Anyone care to guess what effect, if any, the Virginia shootings will have on Maryland's already bloated gun laws?
     

    DD214

    Founder
    Apr 26, 2005
    14,080
    St Mary's County
    Anyone care to guess what effect, if any, the Virginia shootings will have on Maryland's already bloated gun laws?

    I think they will continue to submit the same bills as they do every year, but use this as additional "evidence" for the need for more control. Although it wouldn't surprise me to see a bill specifically banning hi-cap magazines next year.
     

    m4strmind

    Active Member
    Nov 14, 2006
    607
    Personally i do not think that the VT situation is a very good argument for gun control for one huge reason.

    VT was a completely gun controlled situation.

    I do not believe guns were not allowed on campus even by valid permit holders.

    If gun control worked, VT would not have had a shooter on campus. But gun control doesn't work.

    Gun control denied the students protection from the shooter.
     

    Half-cocked

    Senior Meatbag
    Mar 14, 2006
    23,937
    The terrorist who went on a shooting rampage in Utah just a couple of months ago had his killing spree stopped by an off-duty cop, who was carrying, and pinned him down in one of the mall's stores.

    That murderer would have gone on to kill many more, if a citizen with a gun hadn't been there to stop him.

    Yet there are states where even retired cops aren't permitted to carry, let alone CCW permit holders. The VT campus prohibited state-approved, legal, background-checked, trained and fingerprinted CCW holders from carrying, yet they had known that this individual was a deranged, disturbed stalker and an obvious threat for TWO YEARS and still, they did NOTHING about him.

    IDIOTS!!!!!!!
     
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    jpk1md

    Ultimate Member
    Jan 13, 2007
    11,313
    I hope that Senator Frosh now understands why the average citizen needs the right to CHOOSE to get a CCW.

    Lets see if we can do something positive in during the next legislative session.
     

    DD214

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    Apr 26, 2005
    14,080
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    Jim Sr

    R.I.P.
    Jun 18, 2005
    6,898
    Annapolis MD
    Gun control denied the students protection from the shooter.
    This BILL was turned away by VIRGINIA GENERAL ASSEMBLY in 2006 !!!!

    From Virginia Legislative Information System:

    HB 1572 Concealed handgun permits; board of visitors establish university rules and regulations thereof. >> http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?ses=061&typ=bil&val=hb1572 <<
    C. Todd Gilbert | ...

    Summary as introduced:
    University rules and regulations relating to students with concealed handgun permits. Provides that no board of visitors or other governing body of an educational institution shall have the authority to establish rules or regulations limiting or abridging the ability of a student with a valid concealed handgun permit from lawfully carrying a concealed handgun. However, boards of visitors or other governing bodies of educational institutions may establish such rules or regulations relating to (i) students receiving military training in the Reserved Officers' Training Corps or other military training program administered by the educational institution, (ii) students engaging in athletic events, and (iii) the storage of firearms in campus dormitories.

    Full text: > http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?061+ful+HB1572 <
    01/20/06 House: Presented and ordered printed 063840308

    Status:
    01/20/06 House: Presented and ordered printed 063840308
    01/20/06 House: Referred to Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety
    02/15/06 House: Left in Militia, Police and Public Safety


    Jim Sr
    Annapolis
     

    K-Romulus

    Suburban Commando
    Mar 15, 2007
    2,430
    NE MoCO
    Well, it didn't take long to answer the question:

    http://www.gazette.net/stories/042007/polinew214418_32321.shtml

    Friday, April 20, 2007
    Shootings could spur new gun legislation
    Lenett says he plans to reintroduce his assault weapons ban next year

    by Sean R. Sedam | Staff Writer
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    This week’s Virginia Tech shootings could spur new legislation regarding gun ownership by the mentally ill, guns on campuses, ballistics fingerprinting and assault weapons.

    Sen. Mike G. Lenett, whose bill to ban assault weapons statewide died in the Senate Judicial Proceedings Committee this year, said Thursday that he would sponsor the ban again next year.

    Monday’s massacre, which left 33 people dead on the Blacksburg, Va., campus, raises issues that Lenett said bear consideration as Maryland looks at its own gun laws.

    ‘‘If anything good comes out of such a horrible tragedy, we hope it is a renewed emphasis on the dangerous problem of gun violence,” said Lenett (D-Dist. 19) of Silver Spring.

    Gun control advocates and proponents alike said that no amount of legislation could have prevented the killings. Initial reports indicate that the gunman appeared to meet all of Virginia’s legal requirements when he bought the handguns used in the shootings.

    However, the gunman reportedly lied on an application to buy one of the guns, failing to note that in 2005 he had been ordered by a judge to get therapy after a roommate reported that the man had discussed killing himself.

    Maryland requires handgun purchasers to complete an application attesting that they have not been found to be mentally defective by a judge or been committed to a mental institution.

    Gun rights advocates worry that the murders will lead to a renewed assault on Second Amendment rights.

    ‘‘Proponents of gun control, sad to say, always dance in the blood of victims,” said James M. Purtilo, publisher of the gun rights publication, Tripwire. ‘‘This event will be no different.”

    The Virginia Tech shootings make the case for fewer gun restrictions, Purtilo said.

    Purtilo and others this week criticized Virginia laws for making Virginia Tech a ‘‘gun-free zone.”

    ‘‘Only one person died because this nut had a gun,” Purtilo said. ‘‘The rest died because no one else had a gun.”

    Instead of restricting guns, authorities should have been looking at the red flags sent up about the shooter’s mental state, he said.

    ‘‘It seems disingenuous to ignore all those things and then to say the appropriate remedy is to ban more guns,” he said.

    While most mentally ill people are not dangerous, mental health advocates are focused on getting early treatment for people with signs of mental illness, said Lynn H. Albizo, executive director of NAMI Maryland.

    ‘‘Most tragedies with mental illness end up being suicides,” Albizo said. ‘‘If a person is dangerous and then they have access to a weapon, that heightens the ability to make them more dangerous.”

    Albizo was hesitant to use the Virginia Tech slayings as a springboard to advocate for mental health legislation. ‘‘I don’t want to exploit a situation for a political cause,” she said.

    In doing background checks on gun buyers, Maryland State Police search 14 databases, said police spokesman Greg Shipley. But medical information is confidential and usually not available, he said.

    Tips that a would-be purchaser has mental health problems often have to come from concerned friends or family, Shipley said. If police are alerted, they hold the application.

    A recent audit by legislative analysts found that the state police’s checks ‘‘were not adequate to ensure background checks were performed for all gun sales.”

    Analysts said the audits did not include a comparison of each dealer’s gun sales with approved handgun applications and therefore failed to ensure that all buyers had gone through background checks.

    But the analysts’ criticism was based on department policy rather than what police did, Shipley said.

    Police check most dealers’ gun sales records every year and check all at least every three years, he said. State police policy has been revised to require that all dealers’ records be checked every three years.

    Lenett said the Virginia Tech shootings raise questions about the need for legislation restricting guns with high-capacity magazines. Virginia puts no limits on the size of a gun’s magazine, according to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. Maryland restricts the size to 20 rounds.

    News reports said the guns used in Monday’s shootings had their serial numbers filed off.

    ‘‘That points to a need for effective ballistics fingerprint database so guns can be traced,” Lenett said.

    The state should also consider whether to restrict gun ownership to those who are institutionalized without a court order, he said.

    The ‘‘most obvious” and easiest first step for lawmakers to take to stem gun violence is to pass an assault weapons ban, said Sen. Brian E. Frosh, chairman of the Judicial Proceedings Committee.

    His committee’s 6-5 vote against the ban this year, the result of members’ deeply felt views on gun control, does not bode well for the prospects of handgun restrictions, said Frosh (D-Dist. 16) of Bethesda.

    ‘‘If we can’t pass a ban on assault weapons, I’m not sure we can make more difficult the requirements for owning handguns,” he said.

    Staff Writer Margie Hyslop contributed to this report.
     

    jpk1md

    Ultimate Member
    Jan 13, 2007
    11,313
    I think we need to find a judge that will issue a court order that finds Lennett to be insane because after reading his statements its pretty clear that he is.
     

    Cold Steel

    Active Member
    Sep 26, 2006
    801
    Bethesda, MD
    Q: What the dif between a mentally deranged, suicidal psychopath with six 10-shot clips and a mentally deranged, suicidal psychopath with four 15-shot clips?

    A: Both have 60 rounds more than the security cops at Virginia Tech.
     

    smores

    Creepy-Ass Cracker
    Feb 27, 2007
    13,493
    Falls Church
    Q: What the dif between a mentally deranged, suicidal psychopath with six 10-shot clips and a mentally deranged, suicidal psychopath with four 15-shot clips?

    A: Both have 60 rounds more than the security cops at Virginia Tech.

    They're turning your brain to mush too.... Last time I checked they were magazines. The only pistols I can think of at the moment that were fed by clips were the Mauser "Broomhandle" models with internal magazines...
     

    garber38

    Custom tailored ionizer
    Dec 27, 2006
    877
    Somewhere in PA.
    Yeah, that seems to be the fork tongue of the media and law makers who want to protect all of us. Har-de-har-har-har. Someone is always to blame, so the firearms used must be the problem. HIPPA laws may have prevented the information from being obtained, but this is very complex.
     

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