Do you even tactical reload, bro?

LONGSHOT · Sep 23, 2015

12 ago years i had a stroke,my left side did not work as usal.i had to learn not only to load a revolver and a auto.the worst was learning how to reload one handed.now i have most of the use of my left hand,but i still practice one hand reloading which i never see on the board.

Blaster229 · Sep 23, 2015

I would say 1 handed loading, on this board is never mentioned, because it wouldn't apply to most here due to the highest probability that 99% would never have that need in a typical self defense shooting.
The typical 7 yard average distance, if you're wounded and have to reload, you're ass is probably cooked. It's a moot point. It's a highly unusual circumstance for a single shooter.
I can however see these issues being addressed and talked about if we had separate topic sections for, team/military/leo shooter situations or a physical limitations section. And actually until now, I think you're the only one who had actually mentioned one.

Ifdot · Sep 23, 2015

I'm at a loss as to what we are debating here? There are lulls in every fire fight, how you decide to use that time is whatever your comfortable with. During a lull I will refresh my load and retain the partial mag with in my SOP that I have. My partials are separate from my empties and separate from my full mags. Now while I'm actively engaging targets, no I'm not going to pull the mag until its empty. My definition of a tactical reload is replacing your magazine as quickly as possible. Retaining mags is good form since they are not really expendable items.

MY225 · Sep 23, 2015

Blaster229 said:
It's not a tactical reload or emergency reload. It's a magazine exchange.
It's as simple as this. You get behind a car and I'll get behind another car 15 yards away. We are shooting at each other, then I stop. Now you have your "lull" in action to do your exchange. Then I start firing just when you have two stupid magazines in 1 hand.

Who is now in "admin" mode while I'm throwing rounds your way again? SWAT teams are MORE THAN 1 person with a gun. You could tie your shoe in a gunfight of you want, because your covered.
My expertise is 1 & 2 person fighting, and a mag exchange has no place in a gunfight.

I fully understand fighting with just few folks, you can count the number on one hand. You need all guns up and running.
So when you run out of ammo (this does happen way to fast) you reload, right? That's not a mag exchange? I asking and not being a smart ass. The number of names a simple motion is called at any given time is just staggering.

Blaster229 · Sep 23, 2015

MY225 said:
I fully understand fighting with just few folks, you can count the number on one hand. You need all guns up and running.
So when you run out of ammo (this does happen way to fast) you reload, right? That's not a mag exchange? I asking and not being a smart ass. The number of names a simple motion is called at any given time is just staggering.

In my circle of "workers" we have tactical or emergency reloads. Those are reloads from lock back and dry.

The "reload" in the article, having a fresh mag between your fingers while taking out the partial mag between different fingers is a mag exchange.
Insert fresh mag then take the partial and place it in a non ammo pouch pocket. Save it for later when you take a break for ice cream or snacks.

DC-W · Sep 23, 2015

Call of Duty taught me that you can tac-reload all you want and the bullets will tidy themselves into the last mag. Isn't that convenient?!

MY225 · Sep 23, 2015

Funny you brought up ice cream. The best ice cream I have ever had were three of the little cups with wooden spoons. That was one ****ed up place and the second best thing that happen in 12 months.

We're cool on what we call reloads and when.

Boats · Sep 24, 2015

I agree with the OP, and the writer of the article he posted. A couple things:

I was taught that a tactical reload was simply changing mags before running dry. Partial mag goes into the dump pouch, or on the deck, or anywhere that isn't the magwell, fresh mag goes in. I was never taught or used any of this double mag juggle stuff, never used it, never knew anyone who did.

Was taught to always do this in cover/partial cover

Final thought, IF I am the unlucky contestant in a gunfight the LAST thing I am concerned about is "OMG, mags are, like, $30 each, I don't wanna lose one!" or "That mag might have three or four rounds left, I might need those later".

jimbobborg · Sep 24, 2015

Boats said:
Final thought, IF I am the unlucky contestant in a gunfight the LAST thing I am concerned about is "OMG, mags are, like, $30 each, I don't wanna lose one!" or "That mag might have three or four rounds left, I might need those later".

I'm sorry, you aren't as OCD as I am.

Blaster229 · Sep 24, 2015

jimbobborg said:
I'm sorry, you aren't as OCD as I am.

I cannot find it, but years ago there was a video of a cop (who also shot competition) was in a shooting inside a burger place.
The bad guy showed his weapon and the cop saw it. He was in civvies. The cop lifted his hands up in the surrender position(like in some competitions) before he drew his pistol to fire.

Another shooting video had someone (a good guy) after a shooting, bend down and pick up his brass.

I equate training habits to OCD, and some OCD habits WILL get one killed. Just sayin'.

:thumbsup:

MY225 · Sep 24, 2015

I have found all training by quality trainers to be of value. They tend to qualify many of the functions they use in the training. Very few functions work in all gun fights and simply may not work for you. I tend to run a carbine with the fullest mag I can. The only time I'm aware of magazine changes is during training or the like. Some of us train because of then need too. Most because of a desire to do so. I'm older now, pushing 60, and do so for both reasons and it will turn in to a desire to do so way to soon. In the mid 70's combat training was different then now. The late 80's in to the 90's,big shifts in training brought a whole lot of styles most were and still are ********. Today's gun fighting training is at such a high level, guns, sights, equipment, ammo I just like being part of it. And yes, ******** styles/training still happen.

What to say next? By being exposed to many different components of a training program, you get a sense of what works for you in that given environment. Some components will work for you, it all clicks in place, for others just not happening.

This has been one of the better chats on the site I have been in. No pissing and moaning, my vagina is packed with sand now, or name calling on the play ground. Thanks for starting it.

And Habits can get you killed.

Mike

photoracer · Sep 25, 2015

Blaster229 said:
I cannot find it, but years ago there was a video of a cop (who also shot competition) was in a shooting inside a burger place.
The bad guy showed his weapon and the cop saw it. He was in civvies. The cop lifted his hands up in the surrender position(like in some competitions) before he drew his pistol to fire.

Another shooting video had someone (a good guy) after a shooting, bend down and pick up his brass.

I equate training habits to OCD, and some OCD habits WILL get one killed. Just sayin'.

Correct. Train how you fight and fight how you train. Trick is learning how to keep your mind clear enough to tell the difference.

ProShooter · Oct 10, 2015

Blaster229 said:
I would say 1 handed loading, on this board is never mentioned,.....

We teach it in our Defensive Handgun II class. Using one hand and then the other.

Blaster229 · Oct 10, 2015

ProShooter said:
We teach it in our Defensive Handgun II class. Using one hand and then the other.

Like I said, it's never mentioned here lol

ProShooter · Oct 10, 2015

Blaster229 said:
Like I said, it's never mentioned here lol

LOL, very true.

Wetzel · Oct 11, 2015

Another shooting video had someone (a good guy) after a shooting, bend down and pick up his brass.

I don't blame him, if he used a 10mm.

slybarman · Oct 30, 2015

Yeager on the history of the tactical reload. I know a lot of people don't care for Yeager and I don't know how accurate his history is, but interesting notheless:

FPF · Nov 2, 2015

slybarman said:
Yeager on the history of the tactical reload. I know a lot of people don't care for Yeager and I don't know how accurate his history is, but interesting notheless:

That's the same history that Tom Givens provides in his classes when he discusses this technique.

Ifdot · Nov 5, 2015

https://youtu.be/53Jd3ltvb8k

Minuteman · Nov 21, 2015

slybarman said:
Yeager on the history of the tactical reload. I know a lot of people don't care for Yeager and I don't know how accurate his history is, but interesting notheless:

Sounds plausible. I've read other accounts as to 'why' we started learning it.
I also read somewhere it started during ww1, they didn't want guys loosing mags in the muck of the trenches; who really knows.

I still demonstrate it from time to time. It's a required part of one of my annual qualifications, but I don't need to practice it any more. It's not something you need to be able to do super fast; it's really just an admin reload - not a gun fight skill at all.

I wish IDPA would stop requiring it.

The very first gun course (2 weeks) I attended, we only used (drop the mag) emergency technique. My mags (all metal Sig228) were getting beat up. I put some rubbery goop on the base plates that first night off. Saved my mags, I still have a couple of them.

Do you even tactical reload, bro?

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