Virginians Should Ask This Question

HaveBlue · Jan 11, 2020

It wouldn’t make me agree with them..... However I would respect them more if they were attempting to ban handguns.

This funny in a pathetic way... I recently read an article that the original NFA included handguns. I knew that part. However the reason they included SBR’s was because they didn’t want to leave a workaround where people could cut a rifle barrel and end up with a pistol. Du-oh

I guess they never imagined the AR pistol.

HaveBlue · Jan 12, 2020

ToolAA said:
If they break Virginia it just means that demographically Virginia changed and conservatives were resting on their political laurels. However all hope is not lost. Democrats controlled the VA statehouse for 100yrs and Republicans only obtained a majority in 2000. The state is very much in play. I think the democrats who somehow think that they have a public mandate to attack the 2nd amendment, may make make some progress on that agenda, but will be in for a big surprise come 2021. I hope that all of the recent 2A sanctuary pushback actually causes them to double down and dig in. I think it’s important to expose their intentions and then let them fall on the sword. If they are given the chance to walk back their anti-gun rhetoric but stay in power, that will be worse for conservative causes long term.

As for other states, it’s tough to say. Historically when people move from one region to another they do change the culture, but if those changes occur more slowly the regional culture can remain intact. There is truly massive migration of money and people fleeing the high tax North East to Florida, SC, NC and Tennessee. Californians are moving to NV, Idaho and AZ. Eventually as those historically democratic strongholds loose money and population, they loose political power and influence. Who knows, someday the population living in conservative upstate NY may be able to exert more political influence over NYC. I hope I live long enough to see it.

All true, if we were talking about roads, teacher pay or possibly the state bird. Popularity is not a prerequisite for COTUS enumerated (not granted) rights. Firearms and self-defense are clearly not ‘popular’. It’s something we should all work to correct.

You’re right about liking the way they’ve dug in and for the first time have been honest enough to admit what they want. Conversely, SCOTUS has taken the opposite approach and has left the ship rudderless. It feels like Roberts mission is to be a mediator rather than a judge.

No way I’m declaring VA a temporary casualty. Roberts is going to get front row seat to what happens when his court isn’t functioning as intended. Hopefully that view will inspire the court to clarify their prior rulings when they decide NYSRPA

Meanwhile, if VA is lost, it will become that much worse for other states. If Northam delivers VA to Bloomberg with a bow on it this year, he can safely divert more of his money somewhere else next year.

calicojack · Jan 12, 2020

I'm not sure what all the debate is about here; all I am saying is get into the face of these legislators and question everything they say WRT to gun legislation. Is that so hard?

HaveBlue · Jan 12, 2020

calicojack said:
I'm not sure what all the debate is about here; all I am saying is get into the face of these legislators and question everything they say WRT to gun legislation. Is that so hard?

It does take money and time but no it’s not ‘hard’. i know this because many of us have been doing exactly what you propose for many years. We done that work at a various levels of local, state and federal government.

The problem is that so far, it’s been ineffective. I think that’s why you don’t feel like your strategy is getting the consideration it deserves.

They’ve told us that they consider us to be children and that if they don’t respond everything will be fine. That pretty much summarizes how effective we’ve been at asking thoughtful questions.

calicojack · Jan 12, 2020

I definitely agree that these are not reasonable level-headed people we are dealing with.

fred55 · Jan 12, 2020

calicojack said:
I definitely agree that these are not reasonable level-headed people we are dealing with.

So the way to respond to these unreasonable elected representatives is to confront them "Patriot Picket" style at their Town Halls and other public events. Signs held with short messages regarding their lack of support of the Constitution and disregard of their Oath of Office will reach a much larger audience. The pols may not listen but if enough of their constituents hear these messages they may take required actions at voting time. fred55

p.s. I thank the PP for their actions in Annapolis and giving others the methods for peaceful civil rights demonstrations. https://www.mdshooters.com/images/smilies/party29.gif

teratos · Jan 12, 2020

calicojack said:
I definitely agree that these are not reasonable level-headed people we are dealing with.

Nope. Not at all. No amount of facts will sway them. They don’t care about crime. They don’t care about saving lives. They want a disarmed populace. Period.

Muleskinner · Jan 12, 2020

Unless something radically changes, at this point Virginia is blue and will remain so for the foreseeable future. Election district lines get redrawn after the 2020 census...guess who gets to draw them...and gerrymand them???

davsco · Jan 12, 2020

calicojack said:
Ask your new legislators why they think the gun control measures they are proposing will succeed in Virginia when the same kinds of laws passed in Maryland in 2013 did not.

because it doesn't hurt to just try, at least in their minds. to them, saving one life is worth disarming millions, even if that leads to the millions not being able to defend themselves. lots of folks don't have guns and they could care less if others had guns, and they think that with a few less guns out there, they are less likely to be shot. and the 2nd amendment is way old and just applies to military and perhaps leo or ng.

rbird7282 · Jan 12, 2020

davsco said:
because it doesn't hurt to just try, at least in their minds. to them, saving one life is worth disarming millions, even if that leads to the millions not being able to defend themselves. lots of folks don't have guns and they could care less if others had guns, and they think that with a few less guns out there, they are less likely to be shot. and the 2nd amendment is way old and just applies to military and perhaps leo or ng.

I would disagree. They’re not interested in saving lives, NOT ONE. If they were they would pass laws that would put felons caught with a gun away for life or at least a very long time. In MD last year the Dems refused a bill just like this.
I’m convinced that they don’t care how many men, women, or children die because it just furthers their goal of abolishing the 2nd Amendment.

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fred55 · Jan 12, 2020

In looking at the proposed bills for this session, SB16 has been deleted. This was the semi-auto and magazine ban. It's unknown if it resurface later, I do not trust Northam or Saslaw, or any other Dem for that matter. Perhaps they feel the heat, but the heat will remain on until they stop the attacks on the Constitution and Second Amendment. Jan. 13th and 20th are still ON. fred55

HaveBlue · Jan 12, 2020

I think they see the 2nd as a stepping stone. What they really want to abolish is disagreement with their plans.

BeoBill · Jan 12, 2020

calicojack said:
Ask your new legislators why they think the gun control measures they are proposing will succeed in Virginia when the same kinds of laws passed in Maryland in 2013 did not. Violent crime in Baltimore is awful.

MARYLANDERS should also be asking this question as part of each of our MGA testimonies, IMO.

Why should we accept the BS they've imposed on us?

calicojack · Jan 12, 2020

BeoBill, that pic is hilarious.

Tungsten · Jan 12, 2020

teratos said:
Nope. Not at all. No amount of facts will sway them. They don’t care about crime. They don’t care about saving lives. They want a disarmed populace. Period.

Exactly. At this point they have made it clear that they don't care what we say. They do not represent us, and they will not represent us. Talking only works when someone is listening. They have made it absolutely clear they only listen in order to ridicule us, not to understand our viewpoint.

calicojack · Jan 23, 2020

I still think Virginians should put these "democrats" (nothing democratic about them) on the spot any way they can. And I know they will.

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